If Russia gains Duchy of Schleswig ...

Grumpy young Man

Peter III was a fool and for that he paid the price but he was the first who had a bit different approach to the problem how to move Russia geographically westward to the seas.

Instead of potential gain of eastern Prussia iwhen he spared Frederick II he planned future war against Denmark for the stated duchy. The question is; no matter if he or some successor of his realizes the conquest, you have Russia in the control of the Baltic with free access to Atlantic and separating Denmark from german states.

What would be the consequences, only what I can think of is that Russia would build massive fortifications and keep mighty garrison in case of any war with german states since they would first strike there.
 

Elfwine

Does Peter have any claim to Schleswig?

Or is this "Ra, me big strong tsar, smash little Denmark." which is...going to alarm people.

Not that it won't anyway, but it will be taken even worse in the second case.
 

MarshalBraginsky

Banned
Best scenario for that would be to have Peter III killed off early. Or have Elizabeth live a bit longer by the time the Russians are in Berlin. Maybe it could be even better if Catherine the Great kinda launches the campaign, while the 7YW still goes. That's just my guess.
 

Gonzaga

Elfwine said:
Does Peter have any claim to Schleswig?

Or is this "Ra, me big strong tsar, smash little Denmark." which is...going to alarm people.

Not that it won't anyway, but it will be taken even worse in the second case.
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He had a claim to Schleswig as a member of the House of Holstein-Gottorp. Peter was actually planning a war against Denmark in order to take Schleswig before he was assassinated.

There was even a TL based on it: Karl Peter Ulrich's War!
 

basileus

Grumpy young Man said:
Peter III was a fool and for that he paid the price but he was the first who had a bit different approach to the problem how to move Russia geographically westward to the seas.

Instead of potential gain of eastern Prussia iwhen he spared Frederick II he planned future war against Denmark for the stated duchy. The question is; no matter if he or some successor of his realizes the conquest, you have Russia in the control of the Baltic with free access to Atlantic and separating Denmark from german states.

What would be the consequences, only what I can think of is that Russia would build massive fortifications and keep mighty garrison in case of any war with german states since they would first strike there.
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They would anywat lose it, at worst in the Crimean War. It would remain a personal union, the Dano-German population wouldn't be Russified an inch despite alla the fortresses and naval bases imaginable. Indeed, the duchy would be most useful to Russia as a source of officials, officers, administrators and men of science and culture.
The duchy would be involved in the Napoleonic wars from 1798 onward, falling after *Austerlitz to the French; let's say the Russians recover it to objections of both Prussia, Denmark and Britain, with Austrian, and, ironically, French (Talleyrand, diplomat and turncoat extraordinaire...) support.
If the population isn't bothered by the appalling social system of Russia and ruled by the knout, they'll be even loyal to the Tsar and his appointed governor/"viceduke".
Britain will watch intently what happens there, having control of Hanover and Heligoland; it will develop a bond of sorts with Denmark-Norway, desiring to recover its historical possession.
The Crimean War will be the occasion to put and end to Russian presence for good. The total net effect on world's history of Schleswig being under Russian coontrol for less than a century I think will be quite negligible, unless major butterflies happen to fly around.
 

arctic warrior

Should Peter III be able to gain Schleswig against all odds :D the duchy could well go the Finland way which may not include the knout but the subjects would be loyal to their ruler.

BTW does Holstein go along Schleswig? If so the Danish king is effectively off Germany with that treat reserved for the Tsar - would be an interesting 1848. ;)

Heligoland was part of Schleswig till 1814 when the British got it.
 
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