If Quebec and the United States became independent, would they win War of 1812?

The British continued to oppress Quebec, therefor the U.S. and Quebec form an alliance together to win the American War on Independence.

If these two nations declare war on Britain, would they have an advantage?
 
Guaranteeing Quebecois religious freedom and the right to use their language of choice is a bizarre form of "oppression" to say the least.
 

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Guaranteeing Quebecois religious freedom and the right to use their language of choice is a bizarre form of "oppression" to say the least.

The qubeckers weren't free to oppress the English in their homeland the most important freedom of them all.
 
The British continued to oppress Quebec, therefor the U.S. and Quebec form an alliance together to win the American War on Independence.

If these two nations declare war on Britain, would they have an advantage?

But the British didn't oppress the Quebecois / Canadiens. Far from it. They actually irritated Congress immensely by issuing the Quebec Act which basically gave Quebec religious and legal freedoms under their own code of laws.

So your POD is that the British don't pass the Quebec Act.

The only problem is that Congress is at least as bad in terms of discrimination against the Quebecois as the British. I strongly doubt there would be an "alliance". Possibly a strange three cornered conflict.

If they both declared war in 1812 then I don't see Quebec surviving for long - it would be partitioned or completely annexed by Britain.
 
Guaranteeing Quebecois religious freedom and the right to use their language of choice is a bizarre form of "oppression" to say the least.

Haha!

But hypothetically, say the British has a major case of holding the idiot-ball. Is a quebecois uprising even demographically feasible, in the manner of taking control of cities and not just guerilla activities?
 
This is neatly ignoring the role which British favour for the Québécois was a major cause of the American Revolution; things would have been changed very much if the British had taken the anti-Québécois position that the British colonists in North America preferred them to take. To imagine the Québécois siding with the fiercely anti-Québécois American revolutionaries is utterly beyond belief, unless we go for PoDs sufficiently long ago as to butterfly the American Revolution, and thus the USA (if it even has that name), beyond all recognition—though I do think, for various reasons, that some sort of conflict vaguely along the lines of the American Revolution would probably still happen sometime. The War of 1812…? Forget it. Positing changes to the prelude to the American Revolution and asking how the War of 1812 would have gone is like saying "If William of Orange had never invaded England, how would the Seven Years' War have gone?"

As for Quebec, there's a rather larger problem. The American Revolution would not have succeeded without French support, and the French made very few gains in the conflict, although they did much of the fighting and bore a huge amount of the expense (France essentially funded and armed the American war effort). As it turned out IOTL, France lacked compensation. You're proposing that a sizeable number of Francophones be liberated from British rule, and France gets nothing, and the USA (which owes its triumph to France) gets a Quebec which is under its own republican ideology, and France is totally alright with this resolution.

Surely not! The obvious outcome of Quebec rebelling against the British isn't a Québec libre, it's a Québec française. And if we pose a resurrection of French North America, we're going to get butterflies the size of pterodactyls. It's in doubt whether we see a French Revolution, let alone a War of 1812.
 
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