If Nazi Germany attacked France first.

If Nazi Germany would attack France first and Poland would be not engaged in war, what would be the British reaction to formation of Vichy-like regime.
Would Britain be easier to convice to ceasefire ?
 
How would attacking their direct ally, without any provocation whatsoever, have made Britain more amiable to ceasefire?:confused:

That doesn't make sense.

Beyond that however, I'm sad to say I don't know how this affects the greater war.
 
Well, Vichy Regime would represent a French government,Free French weren't strong politically, so what would Great Britain fight for ?
 
If Nazi Germany would attack France first and Poland would be not engaged in war, what would be the British reaction to formation of Vichy-like regime.
Would Britain be easier to convice to ceasefire ?

There are a couple of calculations needed for timeline.

1. Has the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939 been signed? Otherwise Stalin might seen Germany occupied in the West as a chance to invade all of Poland. This would make the German strategic situation in the East very different then in the OTL

2. Have the German's gone forth with other invasions in the West and North as in the OTL?, Norway, Denmark, naturally Belgium? Our do they cut through the Ardennes directly with their tanks, with a plan like Fall Gelb (Case Yellow)by passing Belgium and the other low countries? A one direction attack plan. Belgium is left alone, not sure if that is goning to happen? But hey.. Without the British and French pushing towards Belgium, the Germans may have less chance of a mass in encirclement of the allies.

3. Again, depends what year this all happens, but if it is early enough, maybe the BEF are never on the continent, that is if Germany pursues a France first policy, leaves Poland for later, maybe the Germans hit the French in 1939? Especially, without the other operations, like Weserubung. But then Britain might be able to seize a more secure position in the North Sea. With better air and naval bases.

It is a possible scenario, but it leaves Germany to weak strageically, if the Soviets grab all of Poland, the British are more secure in Norway. etc.. Not sure the General Staff was confident enough to take a shot at France in 1939, before all the othe confidence building successes of Poland, Norway, Low Countries, etc.. The General staff thought France was going to be a very serious fight, as it was a first rate power(on paper atleast) especially with Britain as an ally. Hitler and the General staff were amazed at how fast France fell. So a direct attack against France in 1939 or so, would be a difficult strategy to envision.
 
If Nazi Germany would attack France first and Poland would be not engaged in war, what would be the British reaction to formation of Vichy-like regime.
Would Britain be easier to convice to ceasefire ?
My two impressions are: A) It is very unlikely to happen, at least not with Hitler in power and not even with most other kinds of thinkable right-wing dictatorships. The idea of conquering Lebensraum in the Soviet Union was very deeply ingrained in Hitler's mind and if you want to go from Germany to the Soviet Union, you just have to cross Poland. Another theoretical possibility is Poland becoming Hitler's ally against the Soviet Union, but this is probably just as unlikely.

More moderate (in comparison to Hitler) politicians of the German right advocated regaining Polish territory for Germany far more than they advocated regaining Alsace-Lorraine or gaining other territory from France.

B) If, in spite of what I wrote under A) (and despite what Stonewall's Lightning wrote about Germany's success against Poland being necessary as a confidence builder for the attack on France) this happens all the same, Germany's position is much stronger than in OTL. I think that Stalin was a far too cautious man to attack Poland alone, he still had Japan to worry about and Poland might get German support. As a consequence, Poland remains a buffer state between Germany and the Soviet Union.
This is in fact the situation in my short story 'A Failed Test'.
 
A) It is very unlikely to happen, at least not with Hitler in power and not even with most other kinds of thinkable right-wing dictatorships. The idea of conquering Lebensraum in the Soviet Union was very deeply ingrained in Hitler's mind and if you want to go from Germany to the Soviet Union, you just have to cross Poland. Another theoretical possibility is Poland becoming Hitler's ally against the Soviet Union, but this is probably just as unlikely.
In OTL Hitler pressed on Poland to join AC Pact and joining future war on SU(in exchange for parts of Ukraine, possibly Lithuania), but Polish government refused.

As to France, it was always considered by Hitler the first target to neutralise before war against SU.
 
In OTL the apparition of a Vichy government following the conquest of France and the annexation of Poland didn't convince the UK to give up the fight, why would these events happening in a different order convince the British War Cabinet to put down arms?
 
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