If Japan had occupied Hawaii in 1941

CalBear

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The problem is that the USN has another fleet in Atlantic and a another even bigger one building on US slips.

None of the US battleships damaged at PH really did anything decisive for the rest of the war, bombardment is helpful but the new CVs, Fast Battleships and Subs will win the war anyway....

There is an Admiral Shōji Nishimura here who would like a word.
 
There is an Admiral Shōji Nishimura here who would like a word.

But by late 44 I really don't think it matters even if all the PH ships have been lost USN still wins easily, they just have to move a few ships around and not go racing off north they might even do better than OTL if they are concentrating more on IJN ?

Even then if IJN totally destroy the landings it will only add to the US price for wining WWII IMO, will anything really change the course of the war significantly by that point ?
 
I think I am already about as intense on this as I can get without going incandescent. :p

To the OP: Japan can't do it. Quite literally impossible.

SNIP
(many good reasons why)

Does this mean that any attempt to occupy PH would succeed only in providing immense schadenfreude?
 

Drakker

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How would the war have gone if Japan, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, they had brought troop ships. If they had taken a large number of their troops occupying China and landed them in Hawaii to occupy the base and the Island.

Could they have won and claimed the Island as part of their empire?
If they have, how would that had affected the war then.

I See that if they had been able to do that that it would have a massive affect. All of those damaged ships would have had not been able to be repaired. The rest of the fleet being able to fuel and prepare to fight japan from Hawaii now would have to go to California and start from there.

Harry Turtledove wrote a pair of books about a Japanese invasion, if I recall correctly.

The Japanese take the islands, but the submarine tactics of the US Navy(the torpedo problem gets fixed fairly quickly) and the early-ish mass introduction of the F6F Hellcat helped the US retake the islands.
 
Harry Turtledove wrote a pair of books about a Japanese invasion, if I recall correctly.

The Japanese take the islands, but the submarine tactics of the US Navy(the torpedo problem gets fixed fairly quickly) and the early-ish mass introduction of the F6F Hellcat helped the US retake the islands.

People have citicized HT's scenario in this site.

Of course, we know that HT's primary motive was not saying how the islands could be taken, but how life in the islands would be if they were taken.
 
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