If Chine collapses before december of 1941, does Japan goes to war with the USA?

Except that most of China is united against the Japanese in the first place. No amount of puppet states is gonna get people not to resist the Japanese in a major way.

Not quit sure what you are saying here. The Japanese leaders who led the charge into China did not believe any of that. What they perceived in 1937 was the basis for their actions. They were unable to predict what did happen several years later.

Manchuria did. The Sterling bloc was great for Britain up until fairly late. ...

I wonder how much Japans ongoing business investment in Manchuria in the previous decades had to do with the benefits post occupation?
 
Not quit sure what you are saying here. The Japanese leaders who led the charge into China did not believe any of that. What they perceived in 1937 was the basis for their actions. They were unable to predict what did happen several years later.

I meant to say that if Japan thought that divide-and-conquer could've subdued China, then they were wrong.
 
I meant to say that if Japan thought that divide-and-conquer could've subdued China, then they were wrong.

I agree in general. & the imperialist factions certainly were wrong. The were fooled for a long time by the assorted individual collaborationists, local officials and businessmen, warlords, and considerable number of KMT party members who turned traitor. They looked back with rose colored glasses on their success in getting Koreans and Manchurians to accept their place as children of the Emperor, & thought they saw the same thing happening in China. There were Japanese who thought otherwise, but their opinion was not welcome among those in power.
 
I agree in general. & the imperialist factions certainly were wrong. The were fooled for a long time by the assorted individual collaborationists, local officials and businessmen, warlords, and considerable number of KMT party members who turned traitor. They looked back with rose colored glasses on their success in getting Koreans and Manchurians to accept their place as children of the Emperor, & thought they saw the same thing happening in China. There were Japanese who thought otherwise, but their opinion was not welcome among those in power.

Right, this is also why I said genocide would be the only way of pacifying them. And I don't want to imagine that.
 
They thought they could integrate Chinas fractious & divided provinces into a imperial system, like they had done with the Korea/Manchuria region, or better as the Brits had done with India. If the Brits could conquer India with 50k Redcoats and local native forces shurely the Japanese could do the same with the befuddled Chinese

Unlike the Japanese, the Redcoats didn't force boys to rape their own relatives, hold beheading contests, and do bayonet practice on live human beings. If the Japanese acted like the British Empire they might have succeeded in China, for a while.
 
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