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I think the independent Hungary will try to change that, and i think they will have success. The problem with the Hungarian nationalists of the time seems to me that they didnt have a very firm grasp on realism and pragmatism, so that they need the German minority might not even enter in the equation.That's probably true, but on the other hand, as the Magyars only form half the population of Hungary proper, let alone Croatia, they'll need someone to help them maintain dominance - and in this period Transylvania is still a separate unit.
Theres Sardinia-Piedmont, but, uh, yes, the lack of fleet... so, lets forget that, heh.But there's no Italy in 1848, and none of the Italian states have a fleet on the Adriatic.
I think they will. Even the majority of Gemran nationalists was after all not opposed to their local dynasties per se. Theres a reason the majority of the 48ers wanted constitutional monarchies and not full-out democratic republics. So I think the ideal result in the view of Austrian pan-germanists would be a Habsburg-led Austria inside a German Empire, which incidentally is also diplomatically easier to arrange - as said, everything else would require a war of conquest.I guess what I'm saying is is that I'm not sure anyone in Austria will have any use for the Hapsburgs in this scenario.
Yes, consensus in this thread so far has been that Hungary wont be able to get Croatia. It has a nice defensible border, too, that being the River Drava. However, I think you are not quite right in stating that the Croatians were merely pragmatists. Sure, the prootection from the Hungarians ambition was the main origin of Croatian Habsburg loyalty, but that loyalty I think really existed and even beyond that, at least at that time. Besides, for all the factors speaking for them they still need troops against Hungary, and Habsburg has them, so the original reason for said loyalty might still be a factor.The Croatians were largely Hapsburg loyalist because they needed them to maintain their position vs Hungary. In this scenario the sole reason for their loyalty is removed. Likewise, the Hungarians were largely loyal to the Hapsburgs because they needed the empire to keep their hold over Croatia, not to mention their other minorities. Does a non-Hapsburg Hungary really have the power to hold all of their non-Magyar territory? I tend to think they can, in the case of the Slovaks and Rumanians, but Croatia, unlike the rest, is made up of and organized stand-alone political units.
That just seems unnecessary to me. There is just no reason to reduce the Habsburgs further. I gues sits possible its given to a cadet line, but I think personal union is a good way to end it up. From general German point of view that would mean not having to bother with it being a full member, while it is still bound to Germany and hence squarely in the German sphere of influence.Croatia as part of the German Empire seems both unlikely and undesirable from the German standpoint (Trieste and Pola are quite enough!), which is why I was thinking the kingdom would just become independent, probably with some Western monarch assigned as king.
Hm, I see. And thats about the only comment I can make about that region of Europe, heh.Actually I don't think the Ottomans would give a fig that Bukovina used to be part of Moldavia - only Moldavia & Wallachia would. The Ottomans would probably nervously eye it as a change to the status quo that could only cause them problems. I can see the powers demanding it be given to Moldavia as "compensation" (counterbalance to Russian acquisition of Galicia) - that happened quite often to the Ottoman vassals, albeit usually at the expense of the Ottomans - although the chunk of Bessarabia given to Moldavia after the Crimean War is an exception.
I guess, but what I was hinting at more was whether Austria, mor focused towards Germany now and desperate for influence, could actually take the lead of a united, or semi-united, Germany.
As was said here, if Austria demonstrabely couldnt hold on against Prussia IOTL even with Hungary, how can they stand up to it now that they even have lost Hungary? Besides, the German Union already exists, so Prussia already has teh advantage.