If Austria ends up as the one that unites Germany...

Does Prussia get annexed to Austria, as well? IOTL Austria didn't join Germany when it was formed, so will Prussia also be left out of a German union? Is Austria strong enough to defeat Prussia entirely so that it annexes it, or does Prussia try and succeed in maintaining independence from this German union?

EDIT: Damn, didn't mean to post this in this subforum. Can a moderator move it to the pre-1900 forum?
 

Meerkat92

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Does Prussia get annexed to Austria, as well? IOTL Austria didn't join Germany when it was formed, so will Prussia also be left out of a German union? Is Austria strong enough to defeat Prussia entirely so that it annexes it, or does Prussia try and succeed in maintaining independence from this German union?

EDIT: Damn, didn't mean to post this in this subforum. Can a moderator move it to the pre-1900 forum?

Prussia might be too Protestant for Austria to swallow directly.
 
austria liked the confederation, they didn't want a united germany because their were so many non germans in the habsburg empire.

they did however not want prussia (lutheran) to control germany.
i don't know if they'd of kicked prussia out of the Deutschesbund or not but they cannot and will not annex them or really any german nation.

they just wanted an EU and a NATO style alliance
 
I think you'd need to butterfly away Bismark.
IIRC, his reason for not wanting Austria to become part of Germany was along the lines of "I do not want that bunch of Catholic rabble rousers in my Germany".
 
Does Prussia get annexed to Austria, as well? IOTL Austria didn't join Germany when it was formed, so will Prussia also be left out of a German union? Is Austria strong enough to defeat Prussia entirely so that it annexes it, or does Prussia try and succeed in maintaining independence from this German union?

EDIT: Damn, didn't mean to post this in this subforum. Can a moderator move it to the pre-1900 forum?


Afaik, Austria never contemplated annexing Prussia, which in any case the other powers wouldn't have allowed.

As I understand it, Austria wanted Silesia as compensation for writing off Lombardy and abandoning Venetia. She also wanted the deposed rulers of Tuscany and Modena (who were Habsburg Archukes) to receive new principalities carved out of Prussia's Rhenish provinces. Schleswig-Holstein would be independent under the Duke of Augustenberg, Saxony would regain her 1813 borders, and other Prussian territory west of the Elbe would provide titbits for Hanover, Bavaria, and maybe Wurttenburg.

Prussia has already denounced the Confederation, and presumably won't be let back in until Austria has reorganised it to her satisfaction.
 

OS fan

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If the Habsburgs won the Thirty-Year War, it might be possible. Of course, they would have to win against practically everyone else for this scenario.
 
Can't Austria have a man who can emerge as some sort of a Catholic "Nobunaga" instead of a Catholic "Bismarck"? With an Austrian "Nobunaga", it can result in two more figures who can centralize the HRE like how Hideyoshi and Tokugawa helped unify Japan.
 
Can't Austria have a man who can emerge as some sort of a Catholic "Nobunaga" instead of a Catholic "Bismarck"? With an Austrian "Nobunaga", it can result in two more figures who can centralize the HRE like how Hideyoshi and Tokugawa helped unify Japan.
no, germany was nothing like japan.
the states that would become germany were independent while japan was technically unified under the shogun.

And the HRE didn't exist at this time. And austria didn't want to unite germanym they wanted to make germany its bitch while retaining the habsburg empire.

Prussia wanted to united germany.
 
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