If Adolf Hitler was accepted into Art School

How would history be different if Hitler successfully into his art academy? Will he become a world class artist? Will holocaust be prevented?
 
Assuming he no longer pursues a political career, yeah then the holocaust and the rise of the Nazi's has been avoided. Unless he tries to do both "Adolph Hitler, part time artist, part time dictator!".
 
How would history be different if Hitler successfully into his art academy? Will he become a world class artist? Will holocaust be prevented?

This is discussed about every other month on this board. Try the search function, or google "Hitler artist art school architect site:www.alternatehistory.com," for a somewhat complete list. :)

The general consensus is that Hitler, while technically competent at making a picture, did not have innate artistic talent. His interest in subject matter leaned toward the inanimate--buildings, mostly. He himself noted that, had he done better in mathematics in his youth, he would probably have been an architect. Note his fixation on his planned post-war rebuilding of Berlin--he really liked buildings.

So it's implausible for him ever to be accepted to art school, not without a change to his personality as an artist early on. At best, he could be hired as a draftsman or someone who draws for advertisements, or someone who makes the artists' conceptions for architectural or engineering projects.
 

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This is discussed about every other month on this board. Try the search function, or google "Hitler artist art school architect site:www.alternatehistory.com," for a somewhat complete list. :)

The general consensus is that Hitler, while technically competent at making a picture, did not have innate artistic talent. His interest in subject matter leaned toward the inanimate--buildings, mostly. He himself noted that, had he done better in mathematics in his youth, he would probably have been an architect. Note his fixation on his planned post-war rebuilding of Berlin--he really liked buildings.

So it's implausible for him ever to be accepted to art school, not without a change to his personality as an artist early on. At best, he could be hired as a draftsman or someone who draws for advertisements, or someone who makes the artists' conceptions for architectural or engineering projects.

Adolph Hitler, architect.
 
Assuming he no longer pursues a political career, yeah then the holocaust and the rise of the Nazi's has been avoided.

IMHO even without Hitler for historical (political, economic, and social reasons as well) the National Socialist German Workers' Party (commonly known as the Nazi Party) will still exist and for that matter individuals like the Strasser brothers and others will still be drawn to what was a racist and nationalistic ideology rooted in Germany's crushing defeat in WWI.

Assuming the 1918-19 German Revolution still breaks out (and more then likely it will, owing to the stress caused on society by the war), then the Nazi Party will rise amidst the ashes of the Second German Empire just as the German Communist Party arose during the revolutionary upheaval rocking Germany.

And even without Hitler the Nazi Party will call for a return to Germany's pre-war greatness ( immense territory in Europe, colonies in Africa and in the Pacific, etc.) and thus assuming that the Nazi Party still seizes power a Third Reich will be created.

And with the coming of the Third Reich and, with Nazis at the helm, persecution of Jews and other 'undesirables' will still occur and quite possibly genocide or mass repression.

So as far as AH goes, killing off Hitler early would only postpone the inevitable, the inevitable being the direct result of how the Great War ended.

So to prevent the Nazis, the Third Reich, and the Holocaust, etc. WWI has to happen differently (and if it does, then a defeated France and Britain would simply replace Austria-Hungary and Germany in the ATL and the process would repeat itself only under different circumstances)
 
Assuming the 1918-19 German Revolution still breaks out (and more then likely it will, owing to the stress caused on society by the war), then the Nazi Party will rise amidst the ashes of the Second German Empire just as the German Communist Party arose during the revolutionary upheaval rocking Germany.
But without Hitler's innate gift for oratory it won't be nearly as popular, and will probably end up as one of several right-wing parties competing for limited votes.

And with the coming of the Third Reich and, with Nazis at the helm, persecution of Jews and other 'undesirables' will still occur and quite possibly genocide or mass repression.
Hilter gambled a lot on his foreign policies, and it payed off at first. With someone else at the helm, Nazi Germany might well take a different (ie, slower) road to power, which means they can't afford to perform such actions, or at least not nearly as extensively.
 
The Art Wars

!933: Hitler's first major art exibition in Berlin launches the "National Realism" movement. It's main concept is that art should have a distinctly national and realistic nature.
1937: The national realists take over the Vienna art scene
1938: After dominating the Munich Art biennal, the national realists take over the Prague art scene
1939: After Hitler's large exibition in Warsaw is a triumph, French Cubist painters and British landscape tradicionalists declare artistic war on national realism.
1940: In a surprise display at the Paris art show hyper realist painters Guderian and Manstein capture the French Art Scene with their near photograpic renditions of mechanical devices.
Later in 1940: National realism art fails to make an impression on the British public. Landscape painter Winston Churchill writes in the art section of the times the famous lines: Never in the history of art have such beautiful landscapes been captured with so few brushes"
1941: The National realists and the Soviet Realists engage in a series of simultaneous exibiths all across eastern europe. The resulting atriction leads to a general fatigue over realism in the european public.
1944/45: Edward Hopper's first exibition in Paris and Norman Rockwell triumph in Tokio mark a new era of US dominance over the realistic art scene. National Realism is discredited in most universities and art schools.
 
Art Wars controversies

An interesting aspect of the controversy regarding the whole national realism movement is the intense discussion over wether the series of paintings by the art colective MAN known as the big cats, with such well know works as "Tiger" and "Panther", are master pieces or rather over complicated technical exercises with little artistic value.
 
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Art Wars controversies II

Another recurring debate is weather the series of German realistic paintings displaying sea lions could ever have made an impact if they had been allowed at the National Gallery exibithion on wildlife paintings. Most critics agree that a much prettier animal would have been required to overcome British sensibilities. As it was the paintings were never displayed because the organizers claimed the german painters had failed to master the true art of merging marine creatures with the peculiarities of the British coastal landscapes.
 

NothingNow

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Adolph Hitler, architect.

That actually could've been pretty interesting. He couldn't have done anything worse than Frank Lloyd Wright or Le Corbusier if he was just an architect.

Maybe he'd go into business with Speer, doing a lot of institutional stuff and infrastructure projects, depending on the economy? Mostly like Art-Deco and early Post Modernist stuff, since Fascist Architecture wouldn't be a distinct thing ITTL.
 
!933: Hitler's first major art exibition in Berlin launches the "National Realism" movement. It's main concept is that art should have a distinctly national and realistic nature.
1937: The national realists take over the Vienna art scene
1938: After dominating the Munich Art biennal, the national realists take over the Prague art scene
1939: After Hitler's large exibition in Warsaw is a triumph, French Cubist painters and British landscape tradicionalists declare artistic war on national realism.
1940: In a surprise display at the Paris art show hyper realist painters Guderian and Manstein capture the French Art Scene with their near photograpic renditions of mechanical devices.
Later in 1940: National realism art fails to make an impression on the British public. Landscape painter Winston Churchill writes in the art section of the times the famous lines: Never in the history of art have such beautiful landscapes been captured with so few brushes"
1941: The National realists and the Soviet Realists engage in a series of simultaneous exibiths all across eastern europe. The resulting atriction leads to a general fatigue over realism in the european public.
1944/45: Edward Hopper's first exibition in Paris and Norman Rockwell triumph in Tokio mark a new era of US dominance over the realistic art scene. National Realism is discredited in most universities and art schools.

I was thinking of timeline where Hitler goes into music and does the same thing.
 
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