Ideas on CSA Timeline?

As for the Indians you can take the TL 191 romanticized version of the CSA and have the CSA be "good" to them and they loyal to it. Or you can have some serious confrontations happening (might be more likely particularly in Florida) leading to removal.

With regard to Indian policy, the Confederacy would probably be quite liberal toward some tribes and quite ruthless toward others. The Five Civilized Tribes, and any others who agreed to go live peaceably in the Indian Territory, would be treated very well, and the Indian Territory may even be admitted as a State at some time, or granted independence as a Native American republic.

However, Indians outside the Indian Territory who continued to resist white encroachment...especially troublesome tribes like the Apache or the Commanche...might well be looking at extermination. The Confederate Governor of Arizona, John Robert Baylor, advocated such a policy (he was cashiered from the army by Jefferson Davis, who opposed the policy), and he had a lot of support outside the Davis Administration. Once the war was over, a few more Indian massacres of white settlers in the southwest or west Texas may well lead a more hard-line administration to adopt Baylor's suggestion.
 
Well the battle in the Southwest was the Battle of Glorieta Pass, the Union won, however if the CSA won, they would've taken over the New Mexican Territory.

Not necessarily. Winning at Glorieta Pass would not have given them control of the New Mexico Territory. They would have been a step closer to that, true. But they still had to take Fort Union and it's supply depot. And after that, there was a Union army which was larger than the Confederate army at Fort Craig, in their rear, which still had to be defeated. Losing Glorieta Pass put an end to their project to conquer New Mexico. But winning it would not have accomplished that project...it would only have been a step in the right direction.
 

Onyx

Banned
I'm already disappointed.

Yeah well, if you don't like it, then create your own CSA Timeline

@Stonewall's Lightning
Thank you for giving me those ideas :cool:

@robertp6165
Well I want the CSA to gain the territory, but how would I do that once the CSA wins Glorieta Pass?

Listen, I already read the TL-191 books, but I can't find any way to get such a good idea in winning the war.
Maybe the CSA win at Gettysburg? but wouldn't Grant and Sherman be at Tennessee at that time?

Also, I will have Mexico be under Max, but there would be a large Civil War, giving the CSA to take Chihuahua and Sonora, and the US for Baja Cali.
THe Union would support the Rebels, while the CSA supports Max to gain an alliance with France.
In other ways, could I make Max become less dependent on France and isolates the country?
 
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With regard to Indian policy, the Confederacy would probably be quite liberal toward some tribes and quite ruthless toward others.

1. The Five Civilized Tribes, and any others who agreed to go live peaceably in the Indian Territory, would be treated very well, and the Indian Territory may even be admitted as a State at some time, or granted independence as a Native American republic.

However, Indians outside the Indian Territory who continued to resist white encroachment...

2....especially troublesome tribes like the Apache or the Commanche...might well be looking at extermination. The Confederate Governor of Arizona, John Robert Baylor, advocated such a policy (he was cashiered from the army by Jefferson Davis, who opposed the policy), and he had a lot of support outside the Davis Administration. Once the war was over, a few more Indian massacres of white settlers in the southwest or west Texas may well lead a more hard-line administration to adopt Baylor's suggestion.

1. Almost certainly wouldn't happen. Most Cherokees were strongly opposed to the CSA, outside of the 10% or so making up the traitorous Watie/Boudinot faction. The OK Seminole and Creek had a very strong relationship of fictive kinship to what were technically their "slaves." All three would certainly leave rather than live under the CSA. If the US wouldn't take them, Mexico likely would. There actually was a group of Cherokee IOTL who went to Mexico, led by Sequoyah, who likely blended with the local population. Also the Seminole and Black Seminoles in Mexico, though the Seminole chose to eventually return to the US.

Probably like IOTL, OK gets admitted as a state with a largely white population that systematically stole or defrauded most of the land from Indian tribes. The proportion of Indians is almost certainly far lower, made up mostly of tribes that had been removed, ironically, from the Midwest.

2. Neither tribe had been exterminated by either the US or Mexico and there's no reason to believe the CSA would be more successful, esp with a likely policy of no large standing army, only state or territorial militias.

The most likely candidates for outright genocide would be deep within the CSA, the Seminole of Florida and the Lumbee. Both were excellent guerilla fighters, and the Seminole may get aid from Spain should the CSA make threats towards Cuba.

Some tribes that have a history of keeping below the radar would continue to do so, eg the Alabama-Coushatta, Tigua Pueblo, and the Eastern Band Cherokee.
 
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