Ichronic Color Scheme 1.0
- Thread starter Lord Hastur of Carcosa
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Hello People. After extensive research, I have to concede that what I had in mind (to compile a map of Bronze Age Europe) is impossible based of the current state of knowledge.
That an extensive and well organized bronze age kingdom did exist in north Europe around 1300-1400 BCE is, at this point, certain. That this kingdom had open warfare with its neighbors, implying that there indeed were neighbors, meaning other kingdoms, is more than confirmed by archaeology. Unfortunately, we have no idea of who exactly those people were (so we can't assign them a color) nor the exact extension of those kingdoms (no borders) or the exact nature of those kingdoms (were they tribal alliances? Was there a High King ruling over sub-kings? or were they proper kingdom with an extension comparable to modern nations?) meaning that color levels and shades is unknowable (similarly inner subdivisions, if they existed, are totally out of the picture).
Essentially this means that, with current means and knowledge, Bronze Age Europe in not even hypothetically mappable
That an extensive and well organized bronze age kingdom did exist in north Europe around 1300-1400 BCE is, at this point, certain. That this kingdom had open warfare with its neighbors, implying that there indeed were neighbors, meaning other kingdoms, is more than confirmed by archaeology. Unfortunately, we have no idea of who exactly those people were (so we can't assign them a color) nor the exact extension of those kingdoms (no borders) or the exact nature of those kingdoms (were they tribal alliances? Was there a High King ruling over sub-kings? or were they proper kingdom with an extension comparable to modern nations?) meaning that color levels and shades is unknowable (similarly inner subdivisions, if they existed, are totally out of the picture).
Essentially this means that, with current means and knowledge, Bronze Age Europe in not even hypothetically mappable
That's why I concentrated on other historical periods. Since I have more or less effectively mapped both World Wars and a glimpse of the Victorian Age, I decided to make a single step back to Napoleon
Both maps have several issues, we may need some extra colors for ancient India, and I'm pretty much stumbling with 1812 Africa. If any of you has a labeled Africa that can post, that would be a serious improvement, thank you.
The next logical step would be, in my opinion, the French Revolution. Since ICS has three different colors for France, a more nuanced mapping is possible. On the onset of the Revolution traditional French Blue applies; from 1792 to 1798 Radical French Yellow (the color I used for Vichy) would apply; after 1799 darker Imperial blue would be used.
As usual, any thoughts, insights, insults?
The next logical step would be, in my opinion, the French Revolution. Since ICS has three different colors for France, a more nuanced mapping is possible. On the onset of the Revolution traditional French Blue applies; from 1792 to 1798 Radical French Yellow (the color I used for Vichy) would apply; after 1799 darker Imperial blue would be used.
As usual, any thoughts, insights, insults?
Well, that's... strange. I was planning to do Roman and Napoleonic times, but I realized that Ancient India may be lacking colors, so maybe I can borrow some? Aaaand, since it's a Mythology scheme, it may work for a low fantasy scenario (The Age of Conan always was a personal pet of mine, but why not a Lord of the Ring as well, or... any other suggestions?).
How did you choose the colors? Can I see the Hex/RGB for them?
EDIT: I see there are some real-world equivalent (sorry, not a Pokemon fan, so I have no familiarity). That may work for a fantasy conversion, for example Gondor could use the color for Eastern Rome, Aquilonia (Age of Conan) could use the color for France. Did the villains used the Napoleonic and Nazi colors, or you invented one?
How did you choose the colors? Can I see the Hex/RGB for them?
EDIT: I see there are some real-world equivalent (sorry, not a Pokemon fan, so I have no familiarity). That may work for a fantasy conversion, for example Gondor could use the color for Eastern Rome, Aquilonia (Age of Conan) could use the color for France. Did the villains used the Napoleonic and Nazi colors, or you invented one?
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qazse
Gone Fishin'
I just borrowed colours form the main scheme as I see fit. I'll look into assigning original colours in future.
Okay. This gives me something to ponder about. When creating a fantasy map, the most sensible thing is to borrow the color from the closest historical equivalent, like you did, and that's usually pretty simple for most of them, but could get confused say, in an ISOT scenario, and leaves holes for the less historical factions (say, Orcs, Elves). I think we could try some... field experiment, as in to make some fantasy maps and start filling the colors in.
I was reviewing this thread and I noticed a few weak spots in I.C.S. in I.C.S., always the same I fear, India and Africa.
India has too few color, one of them is even repeated twice, sorry, my mistake.
Africa has a somewhat opposite problem, sometimes I get confused on which color goes where. I Think there is a labeled map of Africa somewhere, which could be useful as a reference, but it's limited in time. Is there any expert in African or Indian History, or labeled maps of them that can be used as reference?
India has too few color, one of them is even repeated twice, sorry, my mistake.
Africa has a somewhat opposite problem, sometimes I get confused on which color goes where. I Think there is a labeled map of Africa somewhere, which could be useful as a reference, but it's limited in time. Is there any expert in African or Indian History, or labeled maps of them that can be used as reference?
Though I definitely appreciate the creativity that went into this project, I'm not sure if this is such a good idea. Though I am definitely behind the sentiment to reduce the number of colours used to a few "key" colours with high versatility (and I strongly believe that "Communist Britain = Cornwall is an awful way to go about that). The issue, with this particular scheme, is that all the "[x] nations of [x]" are really meant to describe the modern political and cultural landscapes of those countries. I can totally imagine ways where this wouldn't work though. I also strongly believe that 1912-1928 Republican China and 1928-1949 Republican China should be distinguished from each other as the predecessor of the post-1928 Chinese government existed in rebellion against the earlier one from 1917 onwards.My source material:
The Nine Nations of North America - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
and my inspiration:
Judge Dredd - Wikipedia
I was so ready to complain about this colour scheme for continuing the dumb green Qing meme, but then it turned out it has red Qing? Which is somehow weirder. Come on guys, there's no good reason for Qing to be anything other than gold or blue. Given that the theme is grimdark maybe some kind of dark, oppressive blue would be appropriate.
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All I'm saying is that LordHastur describing the KMT as "ultranationalist" really confirms my biases if Rex Romae knows what I mean, hahaha.
