I need your help!!! Germany wins WW 1.

yourworstnightmare

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Ok, here are some help:
Claimants to the French throne:

Orleanists:
Prince Philippe, duke of Orleans (1869-1926) claimant from 1894
Prince Jean, duke of Guise (1874-1940) claimant from 1926
Henri, count of Paris (1908-1999) claimant from 1926
Henri d'Orleans, count of Paris (1933-) claimant from 1999

Legitimists: (Bourbons)
Infante Alfonso Carlos, Duke of San Jaime (1849-1936), Carlist claimant to the throne of Spain, Legitimist claimant to France under the name Charles XII

Jaime, duke of Madrid (1870-1931), Carlist claimant in Spain, Legitimist claimant in France under the name Jacques I

Infante Jaime of Spain, Duke of Segovia (1908-1975), son of king Alfonso XIII of Spain, French legitimist claimant under the name Henri VI

Alfonso, duke of Cadiz and Anjou (1936-1989) grandson of Alfonso XIII of Spain, French claimant under the name Alphonse de Bourbon


Bonapartists:

Victor, Prince Napoleon (Napoleon V) 1862-1926
Louis, Prince Napoleon (Napoleon VI) 1914-1997


Japan:
OTL Emperor Hirohito (the Showa emperor), reigned 1926-1989. so if nothing unusual had happened he should be emperor.
 
Hi dear members of AH.com,
Short description:

Germany won the first world war and became an european super-power, in Russia communism rised,
and France is rather antigerman. Britain and Italy are still neutral as well as the USA.
The year is 1956.

...
Russia: Stalin died 1953, and in his life-time no war was leaded, because Germany has nuclear weapons.
...

Which level of technological development would be possible, if Germany won the first world war,
and the german scientists would be much faster and had more money than in OTL? Would mobile phones, internet, space-rockets,
and rock music in Germany be possible in 1956?

Which persons that became famous in our timeline, would be also famous after a german victory in the first world war?
Would people like Einstein, Wernher von Braun, Heisenberg and Marlene Dietrich still become famous?

Would it be logical, from financial reasons, that Germany is able to build a new perfect capital city?

If Germany occupied several states in the east as autonomous provinces, like Poland, Ukraine and so on,
would they riot, or be calm when the wealth grows and the Germans protect their languages?

Would Austria join Germany in the years after 1918?

Would the jewish get Israel, even if they are never killed in Germany and Europe at all?


Bit of Imperial German wank there...


If Russia still has its October revolution (thus allowing the rise of Communism in Russia), then the Great War must have ended post 1917. Thus effectively there is no massive changes to history.



A 1918 Pro-German Armistice:
There isn't a lot of hope for Imperial Germany at this late stage in the Great War. The only thing we can really do is handwaivem a German victory at the Second Marne that some how creates a massive breakout and allows the Germans to march into Paris...

...At which point we handwaivem a second time a French panic and opt for an armistice with 'equal terms'.

The point being that the Germans holding Paris doesn't mean that the war is over since the Americans will be landing in large numbers in Europe on the Etentents side, meaning that a long term German defeat is inevitable.


What would this Armistice look like?
Probally very simmilar to the real treaty of Versaille, but without apartitioned blame on Germany. This then prevents long term civil issues within Germany.

However it is more than likely that the Weimer Republic forms along just the simmilar lines it did during our time line, and it is very likely the French follow a very simmilar evolution, since both nations would have been 'victorious' France because she defended herself, and Germany because she was 'victorious' to. Irrespective, foreign observers will claim that both nations 'lost', France the prestige on her Capital, Germany because of economics.


Spain, Italy and the rest of Europe:
Spain will still have its civil war, and Musolini will still champion fascism in Italy. Indeed, facism will still be widespread as a 3rd major ideology. Nazism may still rise in Germany due to the US finacial crisis in the early 1930s and so even without the harsh terms of Versaile Nazism may lurk on the fringe of widespread German social Conservatism.

Yugoslavia will still have its issues, and Greece will and other weaker European autocracies will still exsist and prosper.


Technological Development:
Nuclear Weapons will not exsit by the 1950s. Period. There is no reason to build them in Germany or America, so the investment need is not there.

In general technology in the 1950s will be worst off for not having had the second world war, so instead what might be considered 1945 tech, is probally 1956 tech.

No mobile phones
No internet
No space-rockets

Sorry to bust your bubble.

Steel passenger aircraft? Yes.
Mass produced motor cars? Yes.
Radio? Yes.
Home refridgerators? Yes.

However would be some examples of developments that wouldn't strongly depend on war developments.

Top Scientists are generally famous irrespective of what they work on.


Other Points:
Germany would not build a new capital city....why would it?

If you want to preserve Communism in Russia without handwaivem you can't really have the Ukraine and Poland under German domination. However perhaps Danzig and those German-Polish territories are incorperated into Germany.

Austria more probally doesn't join...it has no reason to without the rise of Nazism.

Israel more probally doesn't exsit.



Imperial Japan is going to trigger World War II, whether you like it or not. Thus without really ASB coming down and killing of the Japanese Cheifs of staff, the Sino-Japanese war will exsit. Futhermore the US is still going to play the embargo card, and Pearl Harbour is still going to happen.

The only difference being that everything might happen on a slower timeframe/scale as without Nazi successes or the Anti-comintern pact, the IJN might not act so quickly as to adopt the advance south strategy. Meaning that the war in China might last well into 1943 before the IJN and JAAF are using so much oil that the US embargo calls the nessicity of war.

Futhermore because more eyes will be focused on Asia without the rise of the Nazis, Imperial Japan will be under much more pressure to stop warmongering. Thus depending on the zieguist of the times a diplomatic solution might arrise other than war...or if war does happen Imperial Japan will be curbstomped within 3 years or so by all the interested parties.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Some USSR help.

There were basically three factions in the Communist Party when Lenin died, the right (keep NEP for now, careful expansion), the centrists (Stalin's faction, communism in one State, realpolitik when it comes to expansion, keep NEP for now, but dissolve it when a chance is presented), and finally the left faction (the Trotsky faction, aggressive foreign policy, dissolve NEP immidiately)

Rightists:
Nikolai Bukharin
Alexey Rykov
Mikhail Tomsky
Sergey Kirov (although he arose later but had similar ideas, was loyal to Stalin though)

Centrists:
Lev Kamenev
Grigory Zinoviev
Josif Stalin

Leftists:
Leo Trotsky
Christian Rakovsky
Andrei Bubnov
Vladimir Smirnov
Timofei Sapronov
Ivan Nikitch Smirnov

Notes; Trotsky was universally hated by everyone but his followers. For his faction to win he need to push someone else than himself, and convince the Centrists (Kamenev and Zinoviev) to back him.
 
germany victorious

Hi dear members of AH.com,

this is my first post and I´m sorry for my bad English, it´s not my mother-language.

I need some help, and I´m sure to find some people with knowledge about the persons and events I need
for my own timeline.

Short description:

Germany won the first world war and became an european super-power, in Russia communism rised,
and France is rather antigerman. Britain and Italy are still neutral as well as the USA.
The year is 1956.

What I need are especially names for persons that lead all that countries in that year.

Germany: Still a monarchy, who would be the Kaiser? probably the grandson of Wilhelm II

Great Britain: Would it be possible, that Churchill leads GB as in OTL? Who would be king/ queen?
France: Who would be the president if it´s a republic and who would be king if it´s a monarchy?
Italy: Who would lead Italy, if Mussolini failed and a monarchy was established?
Spain: Franco was successful, would he lead it?
Russia: Stalin died 1953, and in his life-time no war was leaded, because Germany has nuclear weapons.
Who would reign it now?
USA: Who would be president?
Japan: Who would be the japanese Kaiser/ Tenno? HIROHITO

Next I need someone who knows all about german military ranks. Does anyone have a list of all the ranks,
starting with the highest? Would the highest be Generalfeldmarschall?

The highest rank would be "reichsmarschall" (Göring's rank in WWII)

Which level of technological development would be possible, if Germany won the first world war,(highly developed artillery and submarines)
and the german scientists would be much faster and had more money than in OTL? Would mobile phones, internet, space-rockets,
and rock music in Germany be possible in 1956? Rock music unlikely, space-rockets very likely, internet possible, mobile phones possible

Which persons that became famous in our timeline, would be also famous after a german victory in the first world war?

Would people like Einstein, Wernher von Braun, Heisenberg and Marlene Dietrich still become famous?

Would it be logical, from financial reasons, that Germany is able to build a new perfect capital city? Yes

If Germany occupied several states in the east as autonomous provinces, like Poland, Ukraine and so on,
would they riot, or be calm when the wealth grows and the Germans protect their languages? These languages would not have been protected

Would Austria join Germany in the years after 1918? Very likely

Would the jewish get Israel, even if they are never killed in Germany and Europe at all? very improbable, in the absence of discrimination

I know there´re so many questions, but I really need your help, and I hope someone has the time to support me :)

Have a nice day!

Stahladler


Interesting idea but why do you choose 1956 and not a later year ?
 
Interesting idea but why do you choose 1956 and not a later year ?

Thanks for you great help at first!

I choose 1956, because I want a later world war, that is not as worse as in OTL, but with a Germany in a much better position. Half of Europe will be german controlled, the Reich will not discriminate the other ethnics after several riots anymore and the enemies will be Russia, Britain and maybe the USA, I´m not sure about that yet.

The victory would make Germany a super-power on one level of the USA and the Japanese Reich that could establish an asian alliance, with many puppet states.
 
Thanks for you great help at first!

I choose 1956, because I want a later world war, that is not as worse as in OTL, but with a Germany in a much better position. Half of Europe will be german controlled, the Reich will not discriminate the other ethnics after several riots anymore and the enemies will be Russia, Britain and maybe the USA, I´m not sure about that yet.

The victory would make Germany a super-power on one level of the USA and the Japanese Reich that could establish an asian alliance, with many puppet states.

Tbh, the Germany that you describe here is already a Superpower, it really doesn't need another war. But with nukes in place, once this war is done the new world superpower would not be the US or Germany.
 
Tbh, the Germany that you describe here is already a Superpower, it really doesn't need another war. But with nukes in place, once this war is done the new world superpower would not be the US or Germany.

Of course it doesn´t need a war, but it will forced to war by the communists and other great-powers that envy Germany.

I think with the danger of communism always in the neck, they would also try to get good weapons very fast.
 
Of course it doesn´t need a war, but it will forced to war by the communists and other great-powers that envy Germany.

I think with the danger of communism always in the neck, they would also try to get good weapons very fast.

I don't think that many will envy Germany, with her inherent political problem (socialist on the rise who want to be paied the political favor ) the fact that the new territory aka Mitteleuropa need to be garrisoned and the local goverment prop up as a state of low level insurgery will be endemic as the original German plan was basically to make them just little more of economic dependance with just a veneer of autonomy (so Germany must always watch her back). A-H is basically an headhence on itself and probably a drain of resource on the long term.
The German war aims was the classic example of : be carefull on what you desire.
 
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