I need your help!!! Germany wins WW 1.

Hi dear members of AH.com,

this is my first post and I´m sorry for my bad English, it´s not my mother-language.

I need some help, and I´m sure to find some people with knowledge about the persons and events I need
for my own timeline.

Short description:

Germany won the first world war and became an european super-power, in Russia communism rised,
and France is rather antigerman. Britain and Italy are still neutral as well as the USA.
The year is 1956.

What I need are especially names for persons that lead all that countries in that year.

Germany: Still a monarchy, who would be the Kaiser?
Great Britain: Would it be possible, that Churchill leads GB as in OTL? Who would be king/ queen?
France: Who would be the president if it´s a republic and who would be king if it´s a monarchy?
Italy: Who would lead Italy, if Mussolini failed and a monarchy was established?
Spain: Franco was successful, would he lead it?
Russia: Stalin died 1953, and in his life-time no war was leaded, because Germany has nuclear weapons.
Who would reign it now?
USA: Who would be president?
Japan: Who would be the japanese Kaiser/ Tenno?

Next I need someone who knows all about german military ranks. Does anyone have a list of all the ranks,
starting with the highest? Would the highest be Generalfeldmarschall?

Which level of technological development would be possible, if Germany won the first world war,
and the german scientists would be much faster and had more money than in OTL? Would mobile phones, internet, space-rockets,
and rock music in Germany be possible in 1956?

Which persons that became famous in our timeline, would be also famous after a german victory in the first world war?
Would people like Einstein, Wernher von Braun, Heisenberg and Marlene Dietrich still become famous?

Would it be logical, from financial reasons, that Germany is able to build a new perfect capital city?

If Germany occupied several states in the east as autonomous provinces, like Poland, Ukraine and so on,
would they riot, or be calm when the wealth grows and the Germans protect their languages?

Would Austria join Germany in the years after 1918?

Would the jewish get Israel, even if they are never killed in Germany and Europe at all?

I know there´re so many questions, but I really need your help, and I hope someone has the time to support me :)

Have a nice day!

Stahladler

New post after many of your comments (page 1 and 2)

At first, thanks for that many replies! You really helped me. I try to answer some of your questions, and have still some questions.

Your questions: How and when does Germany win?

This is for myself a problem, I´d say Germany won in the spring-offensive 1918, but I don´t know what to change that they win. Do you have any suggestions how Germany could´ve won? Maybe with a new technology or a country that changes the sides? Maybe the USA stayed neutral and Germany never had a total u-boat-war?
I don´t think it wins earlier, because I want Russia to become communistic.
Is there any chance, that Russia can become communistic without Lenin?

After the war, Germany will make a Versailles-similar (but not as hard as in OTL for Germany) treaty and I want that in France an antigerman fascist or socialist government rises, do you know who could be the leader of them? And who could reign 1956?

A Brest-Litowsk like treaty will be, Ukraine, Poland, the baltic states, Belarus and so on will become german puppet states, but the people there will be treated well. Also they fear the communistic neighbour more than the german advanced monarchy.

There will be a short war against France, the fascist government falls and a new german-loyal french king will come. Who could it be? I think the house of Orleans is a good choice? In another timeline I read about a king Karl (charles) in France at that time, which house was he from?

If Stalin does not rise, who else could rise in Russia? And who could reign in 1956?

Still I need an answer, which Kaiser/ Tenno would rule Japan?

Cany anyone suggest me a good site about military technology that would be possible at that time? Like the german Nurflügler Horten, just what is possible at that time, if Germany is more developed than in OTL.

And I still need the information, is a german moon-landing, a german internet (Weltnetz) and mobile phones possible in 1956?

Which german general would become a hero, when the war in the west in ww 1. was successful? In the east, Hindenburg became famous, who would it be in the west?

I thank you so much for your great help!!!

lg

Stahladler
 
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A lot depends on when and how Germany wins. An early victory will have most likely have a far more limited impact on the overall balanceof power. The scenario that you describe in your post would imho at least be indicative of a later victory, say 1917/18, Lenin at least has made it to Russia.

What were the victory conditions? Did Germany humiliate and try to ensure that France could never challenge her European hegemony again? Did the Treaty of Brest Litovsk come into effect? If so, does Germany have eastern european satellite states such as Poland, the Baltic States, Ukraine and Byelruss to worry about (these would have been a significant drain on her manpower and resources)? What happens to Austria- Hungary?

So in short, you need to provide a rough outline of how the war ends and what the Peace Treaty looks like to help us comment further.

As a side issue, it is highly unlikely that Churchill would be in power, he spent the 30s in the political wilderness OTL and only came into power because he had been warning everyone repeatedly that Hitler was a problem (a slightly simplified version I know, but valid nonetheless).


As a side, I always imagined that a victorious Germany would have lots of very gaudy neo-classical architecture due to the Kaiser's love of all things Greek:D

Regards

Lord I
 
Regarding Italy, taking in consideration she mantain neutrality during the great war, some possible candidate as president of the minister council (yes without war the monarchy is still strong and fascist don't have a chance to take power) are Giovanni Gronchi (Christian Democrats but without fascism will probaly remain the Partito Popolare Italiano - Italian Popular Party), Giacomo Matteotti ( Socialist - a bit old but can play the great old man of italian politics) and Pietro Nenni (also socialist), Galeazzo Ciano (yes Mussolini son in law, but without that he still will try to get in politics as he have money and connection...but not carisma nevertheless) and finally Aldo Moro (Christian Democrats as the young up and coming leader).

Regarding the east nation after the war, is probable that the initial period the German army was the only thing who keep in line the local population and riots and revolts were common. In the long term we will have a German version of the Warsaw Pact with nation a little more autonomous than OTL (after some decades) but with the bordering communist nation still covertly support local communist /and non communist opposition and in general resentfull of the power Berlin has over them.
 
Germany: Still a monarchy, who would be the Kaiser?
Great Britain: Would it be possible, that Churchill leads GB as in OTL? Who would be king/ queen?
France: Who would be the president if it´s a republic and who would be king if it´s a monarchy?
Italy: Who would lead Italy, if Mussolini failed and a monarchy was established?
Spain: Franco was successful, would he lead it?
Russia: Stalin died 1953, and in his life-time no war was leaded, because Germany has nuclear weapons.
Who would reign it now?
USA: Who would be president?
Japan: Who would be the japanese Kaiser/ Tenno?

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Stahladler

Kaiser would be http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Friedrich_Franz_Joseph_Christian_Olaf_von_Preußen
I assume he would carry the name Friedrich IV. or Friedrich Wilhelm V.

British King would be Edward VII, because the reasons for his abduction would be propably butterflyed away.

If France is a monarchy, King would be http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Robert_Ferdinand_Marie_Louis_Philippe_d’Orléans as Henry VI. Still I doubt that even if the french monarchy
is restored after WWI, that she will last till 1956. If it is still a republic, the president will propably be a plain politican, who doesn´t threatens the power of the National Assembly. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Coty was in OTL president.

Without Italys partcipation in WWI Mussolini will never come to power. He will propably even stay a leftwing politian. The Monarchy in Italy will propably survive and King will be http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_II._(Italien).

With a german victory the course of history would be changed so much, that the spanish civil war and Francos rise to power will be propably butterflyed away. Still, he was a clever and ruthless little man, so it isn´t impossible that he still comes to power, but propably not as faschist Dikator (because without Mussolini Fashism as we know it will not exist), but as a simple military strongman under a figurehead king.

more later.
 
Presumably because Einsein & other Jewish and non-Jewish scientists didn't emigrate.

That doesn't explain why they have nuclear weapons. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they will, especially if that thing happens to have an otherwise prohibitively huge price tag attached. Something as monumentally difficult and expensive as the Manhattan project would not, and perhaps could not, be made possible except by the greatest national duress. Presuming here that Germany maintains at least a measure of control over those territories gained by Brest-Litovsk then the Soviets are greatly weakened and may even be economically reliant on Germany. With no other continental, or ever world, powers there is no motivation to develop something like a nuclear weapon. In all likelihood Germany's conventional army is more than enough.
 
I've always wondered whether it was long term German plans to absorb Austria and set up a string of satellite states in its aftermath - possibly under a Hungarian successor empire or possibly straight out independence.
 
Which level of technological development would be possible, if Germany won the first world war, and the german scientists would be much faster and had more money than in OTL? Would mobile phones, internet, space-rockets, and rock music in Germany be possible in 1956?

No - if WWII is butterflied away you can assume that technological progress is somewhat slowe (Krieg ist der Vater aller Dinge)

Which persons that became famous in our timeline, would be also famous after a german victory in the first world war? Would people like Einstein, Wernher von Braun, Heisenberg and Marlene Dietrich still become famous?

Probably - some might follow different career paths, but scientist will usually do the same as OTL...

Would it be logical, from financial reasons, that Germany is able to build a new perfect capital city?

Berlin IS perfect fro the Kaiserreich.

If Germany occupied several states in the east as autonomous provinces, like Poland, Ukraine and so on, would they riot, or be calm when the wealth grows and the Germans protect their languages?

Depends on how Germany approaches those territories. Occupation might lead to revolt - installing puppets (Ukraine) might lead to allies

Would Austria join Germany in the years after 1918?

NO - and YES - Does the Double Monarchy survive (likely if WWI is won)? If the Monarchy splits then the "German" parts might join Germany - we need more info on the TL to determine (some even thing AH is doomed no matter what result of WWI)

Would the jewish get Israel, even if they are never killed in Germany and Europe at all?

NO. Palestine probably is still part of the (surviving) Ottoman empire. Jews might go to Israel (Antisemitism will probably exist as it was not a result of WWI) but probably not so many as OTL (Russian Jews mainly)
 

yourworstnightmare

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Italy- was already a monarchy. Italy would be quite messy after a lost WW1.

Germany: Wilhelm III (he'd be old) or one of his sons: Wilhelm IV or Louis Ferdinand I. The real question is whether the Junta of the Junkers survived or if the Reichstag was able to get a civilian government in charge.

UK: Churchill was the war choice, not a good peace time PM. So no, he would probably not have been in charge without a WW2.

France: Monarchy: Oh man, you don't even know... First of all do you want the Bourbons, the Orleanists or the Bonapartes in charge?
Republic: Is it left or right leaning? Radicalist or moderate?

Spain: Well this is interesting, here almost anything could happen (except the corrupt bourgeois democracy surviving, that one was quite doomed). You could have some kind of loose left wing federation with Socialists, Communists, Trotskyites, Anarchists, Syndicalists and Catalan and Basque regionalists trying to get along. You could have an outright Communist state probably as a result of a Civil War where the left was backed by the USSR. You can have a Francoist state, and there are several Spanish generals who could be alternate Francos, and you could have the monarchy survived, probably backed by a Junta and the Church.

USSR: Stalin, really? So boring, there are several alternate leaders for the USSR. Anyways the question is did Stalinism collapse with Stalin's death, and someone like Khruschev could be in power, or is it just a continuation of Stalinism?

USA: There'd be a lot of butterflies, so the US presidents would almost guaranteed not be the same people as OTL.

Japan: The real question is Junta or Civilian government.
 
NO - and YES - Does the Double Monarchy survive (likely if WWI is won)? If the Monarchy splits then the "German" parts might join Germany - we need more info on the TL to determine (some even thing AH is doomed no matter what result of WWI)

Depend on how much the war is long, a very brief war (the short and victorious way) can be what Vienna need to implement some needfull reform, but even in this case there will be diffiulties. More the war is long and more destruction there is and regardless of the end result the social, physical and economic trauma caused by the conflict will exacerbate pre-existent problem beyond any point of soving (basically OTL Italy).

Italy- was already a monarchy. Italy would be quite messy after a lost WW1
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Both true, but from OP i thinked that Italy skip out this conflict and remained neutral.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Austria- Hungary would mean headache for everyone, but Germany would probably not allow it to collapse. Better a unstable ally that barely can function than no ally at all.
 
Austria- Hungary would mean headache for everyone, but Germany would probably not allow it to collapse. Better a unstable ally that barely can function than no ally at all.

Cost and Rewards, if keeping the ally together is worthy they will do it, but if it tax too much their resources without any or little advantage better scrap it, use it for forging (i.e. bribe) some kind of alliance with Italy and Romania and create some more easily controlled nation.
Take in consideration that there will be Poland and Ukraine (and the Baltics) to prop up at the same time and German resource and willingness is not infinite.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Cost and Rewards, if keeping the ally together is worthy they will do it, but if it tax too much their resources without any or little advantage better scrap it, use it for forging (i.e. bribe) some kind of alliance with Italy and Romania and create some more easily controlled nation.
Take in consideration that there will be Poland and Ukraine (and the Baltics) to prop up at the same time and German resource and willingness is not infinite.
Another headache would be what to do with Poland.
 

BlondieBC

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Why does Germany have nuclear weapons?

Germany could easily have nuclear weapons by 1956.

That doesn't explain why they have nuclear weapons. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they will, especially if that thing happens to have an otherwise prohibitively huge price tag attached. Something as monumentally difficult and expensive as the Manhattan project would not, and perhaps could not, be made possible except by the greatest national duress. Presuming here that Germany maintains at least a measure of control over those territories gained by Brest-Litovsk then the Soviets are greatly weakened and may even be economically reliant on Germany. With no other continental, or ever world, powers there is no motivation to develop something like a nuclear weapon. In all likelihood Germany's conventional army is more than enough.

Cost is not that bad. The USA spent 1 billion or 2 billion USD, but did it 2.5 years. We built entire industrial towns that were then torn down. We did not have the theory worked out while doing the engineering. The Manhattan project has all the elements of a max cost project going grossly overbudget. Do this over time, you cut the cost at least by 75% IMO. Probably do plutonium bomb. So we are looking at about 250 million to 500 million USD spread over a decade or two. Compared to a pre-WW1 budget of about 600 million per year. It would be say a 25 million USD budget per year. Very doable. Less than the V-2 cost for example. Basic TL.

1) 1938 Fission discovered. Could easily be sooner, but we don't have TL details.

2) 1939-1943. Light funding, both medical military. Theory worked out.

3) 1944-1951. Seven year project. 25 million USD, under 10K workers. Test in 1951. Since we did slower rampup, we have nicely size reactors facilities to produce fuel for bombs. Making say 6 per year. By 1956 we have a nice size arsenal. Note: This is fairly low funding. It could be done a lot faster.
 
the biggest question of all is, how & when did germany win the war.
If it means the war is over 1917 or earlier this will likely lead to the the spanish flu not happening. with the result 70-120M people more alive (approx 5% of population),50% of them in the age group that has most effect (20-40).
 

BlondieBC

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We really need to know the year the war ends, and why Germany won. With your desire for communism, you have a late win for Germany. While the Tsar would have trouble remaining in power in a long war, Lenin was a long shot. It could have easily been someone else, white or red.

The big part on technology development is how long the war lasts. The shorter(less destructive) the war, the higher the general level. A very destructive war will slow technology.

New dynasties (Bejing) or new countries (USA) build new capitals. I can't see Berlin being replace. Maybe massive new building in the center or edge of city, but that is it.

Israel does not exists ITTL. Before WW1, Judaism was not a single people. So if you see migration to Palestine, it will be small and it will be Spanish Jews versus the German(Ost) Jews. Zionism still exists, so the question is will the accept some secondary location like Uganda. The most likely place for a Jewish state in a German win is east of Poland. Several TL have it being created there. In WW1, the Germans were found of the Jews since they were the most cooperative with the German military government, and since Yiddish can be called a German dialect, it can justify annexation by German or friendly buffer client states. You can look at a Shift in Priorities for a full Jewish state east of Poland, or you can look at mine for creating a Jewish Princedom in Germany.
 
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