I love you if you love me: A British timeline in India

Wouldn't this new motivation make them good natured?
No. No, it would not. You seem to be ignoring all the people telling you that exploiting foreign countries and indigenous peoples for labor and resources is the point of colonialism. If they became more “good-natured” and developed moral qualms about those things, there would (as many others in this thread have pointed out) be no reason to colonize in the first place.
 

Albert.Nik

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You can treat this vis a vis the Rashidun expansion into Levant,Egypt,Persia,North Africa and Central Asia in the 7th century. It was done with the newfound zeal then and they expanded into Sassanid Iran and Byzantine Levant and North Africa. Military conflicts can be brought in. Most empires before WW2 were militaristic. The point of this timeline is civilian benefit. In the case of Rashidun Caliphate,the military battles were fought but the civilians ultimately were unharmed and in some cases benefited(saved many from forced conversion like Jews,Copts and Syriac Christians). So in this case,instead this is the zeal to expand British territories for settlements and at the same time advance the Science after the Industrial revolution and age of enlightenment and build a futuristic settlement. In OTL Levant and Egypt,I am told that eventually after the Caliphate settled,Arabs began to settle in large numbers and develop the regions to new heights. Eventually,the community prospered and locals were assimilated(Greeks,Aramaics,Romans,Copts). I guess that explains the average lighter skin shade of Levantine Arab Muslims but nevertheless they are considered Arabs today. So in India,eventually after settling and prospering,the natives slowly are assimilated and some noticable parts of culture and languages would still remain. So discuss this vis a vis that timeline and keep the OTL colonialism and Nazism aside for sometime.
 

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India has over 100% population over the uk. Also smallpox on the american won't happen as india already went through small pox epidemic in 1bc its endemic now so no asb again.
Oh sorry meant to say its impossible not asb
 
Rashidun was done due to religion abd circumstances, both empires were exhausted and population didn't mind the arabs why would indians be the same? They are opressed by foreign rulers and brits are foerign rulers.

Also you seem tochave the ability to forget were talking about india, the arabs came in thousands the indians are in the millions! Your not going to assimilate them as they have no need to.

Okay lets ask this if the brits are trying to help them, how did britain end up ruling india? Co opting them? Bullshit, stop this notion that less developed civilations crave greater leadership of western societies. Where are these settlements? all of india is ruled by their own kingdoms, so your going to expel the locals?

You are literally using the justifications of european powers back in the day, they want to 'help the natives and civilise them spread the joys of european ideals and life'
 

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Solar power ?? Don't you need plastics for that ? And other high quality material that weren't in commercial use till the 1980s , these being invented and commercialized in the 1750s is impossible, unless they find a way to use solar power with some other technology but it won't be effective or efficient as plastic
 

Albert.Nik

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Solar thermal(steam) power is what I mentioned. Not Solar PV which is popular in small scales too as it is now.
 
Im confused to me it seems like one of those arguements for justification of european empires is that if they were still alive the world would be more advanced, and prosperous, which is bull crap. Also why is this not the indian empire then? If the indian are equal they get the vote the surely? No european cant exist without a group of people being supressed to make the primary and secondary groups successfull.
 

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Im confused to me it seems like one of those arguements for justification of european empires is that if they were still alive the world would be more advanced, and prosperous, which is bull crap. Also why is this not the indian empire then? If the indian are equal they get the vote the surely? No european cant exist without a group of people being supressed to make the primary and secondary groups successfull.
True that , I mean if this empire does exist what prevents India as a whole from breaking off the colonial yolk and becoming independent, I mean Brazil and Argentina inspite of their elite having much in common with their colonial masters than with their locals became independent, then India would not be like south Africa but more like some central or south american country
 

Albert.Nik

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European Empires got the lead sometime after the Renaissance which was due to various reasons like unbated Muslim invasions,end of the deadly plague,discovery of Americas and the Reconquest of Spain. I don't think that Rashiduns expansion was only due to religion. The regions they conquered were fertile but disunited. It was because of the new sense of unity mainly. Islam was a cohesive entity then in my opinion(no debate about this,please. You can keep your opinions). In this timeline,it is about a similar unity after the renaissance and Age of enlightenment.
 

Albert.Nik

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To those taking it too personally: This is just an another ethnic timeline. 1000s of other ethnicities could have been dominant. Could have even been Tocharians,Hurrians,Sumerians,Iranians, Sogdians,Scythians,etc,etc. Just keep it neutral and discuss the timeline outcomes instead of jumping to various things.
 
India was just as enlightened as Europe. No india is not going to abandon their own style for european enlightenment what you are saying is european superiority. This is not communism people are not united by some ideology.

All you are doing is ignoring everything and saying what about enlightenment all you need is enlightenment, all you need to make indian bow to the British is enlightenment.

No India is not going to allow britian to rule cause enlightenment bro.


All you said is just european superiority will win the day.
 

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European Empires got the lead sometime after the Renaissance which was due to various reasons like unbated Muslim invasions,end of the deadly plague,discovery of Americas and the Reconquest of Spain. I don't think that Rashiduns expansion was only due to religion. The regions they conquered were fertile but disunited. It was because of the new sense of unity mainly. Islam was a cohesive entity then in my opinion(no debate about this,please. You can keep your opinions). In this timeline,it is about a similar unity after the renaissance and Age of enlightenment.
About rashidun caliphate, in my opinion ( others can point my errors) the Arabs learnt more from the Iranian and the Romans in Anatolia than what they learnt from Arabs the only exception being they learnt Islam from Arabs ( I know some of it was imposed not learnt ) which is why they didn't go Genghis Khan mode on them and plus the region they conquered was at the heart of the silk road
That being said I agree with what
@haidernajib said that at the end of the day rashidun caliphate expansion was primarily due to religion and all others were secondary consideration

Why would Renaissance in this time line give rise to a feeling of brotherhood amongst humans regardless of race even if they make technological development is lost on me infact the Europeans may be more cruel to the natives of India
 
Also he simply isn't taking account population india second most populated 2nd the planet yet it easier to have more brits their than africa or canada.
 

Albert.Nik

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The European dominance of coming forward is due to many complex factors ranging from Geography,Historical and some due to Ethnic reasons within Europe. The Mediaeval era only put them back due to various tensions. Iran is an interesting case here. Iran was quite forward or maybe almost on par with Europe before Turks,Mongols and Arabs decimated them. So that left with Europe as the only thing in the World. How renaissance could happen in India is for an another thread.
 

Albert.Nik

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The Renaissance and the subsequent Age of enlightenment of which the latter was powerful in Britain could give off a POD in which the British and some other Europeans could be motivated by the further advancements that could be possible with the newly found unity after the religious lines weaken. This is only one POD.
 

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Let's accept what you happens, but why would Indian prince give up land to the British voluntarily is beyond me , and how on Earth would it reach 50 percent of the Indian population is simply beyond me

Yes it's about Ethnic timeline then by that logic the Indian race would be the most powerful in the world because of having access to British technology which for some reason they give for free to Indians ignoring their rigid patent laws
 

Albert.Nik

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This is not about superiority of one and inferiority of the other. This is only about a different timeline with British at lead in the first in this timeline. How would ethnicities and societies fare is the objective of this ATL. That's all. It's still one among the 1000s.
 

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This is not about superiority of one and inferiority of the other. This is only about a different timeline with British at lead in the first in this timeline. How would ethnicities and societies fare is the objective of this ATL. That's all. It's still one among the 1000s.
That's the issue here why Britain ?? What makes it so special in this time line has not been elaborated
 

Albert.Nik

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That's the issue here why Britain ?? What makes it so special in this time line has not been elaborated
This is just one timeline where the Western Europe gets very powerful and rich due to various factors after Renaissance and Age of enlightenment. That doesn't mean this is the only one.
 
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