Huntsman 2012

RousseauX

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No, huntsman is somebody who belongs in the 1960s-70s era GOP but literally had more support from liberals than republicans in 2012 primaries
 

RousseauX

Donor
the gop nominee this said "grab them by the prussy" and won could they be a way huntsman can win.
That's because grab 'em by the pussy came out in oct 2016, long after the primaries were over, once you get to the GE as long as you have a R next to your name you are basically guaranteed 43%-45% of the vote

Also Trump could literally shoot somebody and have a better chance to win than huntsman
 

Rarename91

Banned
That's because grab 'em by the pussy came out in oct 2016, long after the primaries were over, once you get to the GE as long as you have a R next to your name you are basically guaranteed 43%-45% of the vote

Also Trump could literally shoot somebody and have a better chance to win than huntsman
what if huntsman have someone like pence as a running mate?
 

RousseauX

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what if huntsman have someone like pence as a running mate?
that requires him to win the primaries (which he's not)

If you are talking about the GE yeah he has a good chance of winning because as long as he has a R next to his name he 45% of the votes and he's probably moderate enough to appeal to the center of the 2012 electorate

he's not a favorite by any means though, Obama is a really good campaigner and could probably ripe huntsman a new one during the election
 

Rarename91

Banned
that requires him to win the primaries (which he's not)

If you are talking about the GE yeah he has a good chance of winning because as long as he has a R next to his name he 45% of the votes and he's probably moderate enough to appeal to the center of the 2012 electorate

he's not a favorite by any means though, Obama is a really good campaigner and could probably ripe huntsman a new one during the election
how would the map look like.
 
1) He's not winning the primaries

2) He could probably flip Ohio (no let Detroit go bankrupt) and Florida (super close) but then he'd still lose.

3) So Huntsman's failure to win the nomination wasn't just because of his moderate positions. He also had a very disorganized camapaign, no real message, was horrible at fundraising, and had no strategy other than New Hampshire, which he completely bungled on the messaging side of things in the state. Now, if you look at his Utah reelect numbers, he got something like 80%, but he kind of came off like someone not ready to hit major league heat when he ran nationally.
 

CaliGuy

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1) He's not winning the primaries

2) He could probably flip Ohio (no let Detroit go bankrupt) and Florida (super close) but then he'd still lose.

3) So Huntsman's failure to win the nomination wasn't just because of his moderate positions. He also had a very disorganized camapaign, no real message, was horrible at fundraising, and had no strategy other than New Hampshire, which he completely bungled on the messaging side of things in the state. Now, if you look at his Utah reelect numbers, he got something like 80%, but he kind of came off like someone not ready to hit major league heat when he ran nationally.
To be fair, though, it's kind of hard to get much oxygen and traction in a race where you're the other moderate Mormon.
 
If Romney wins the '08 nomination (far from impossible), that'll heavily reshape the 2012 field. Perhaps Huntsman, seeing an opening, declines Obama's offer to be ambassador to China and runs in 2012 with more establishment support and without the "taint" of having served in Obama's administration.

I still think he's likely too temperamentally unsuited and too moderate to win the nomination. But he'd certainly have a better chance without Romney in the race. I could see him giving Obama a closer race, so him winning would not be impossible.

Huntsman BTW is a figure who has made a number of politically daft moves. His taking the ambassadorship to China was fine, but it should have been obvious it ruled out a presidential bid on the Republican ticket. And if he really did feel like the GOP was moving in an ideologically incompatible direction, he would have been better off outright switching parties. He could easily have gotten a cabinet slot in Obama's second term and would have been a strong contender for Hillary's running mate in 2016.
 
If Romney wins the '08 nomination (far from impossible), that'll heavily reshape the 2012 field. Perhaps Huntsman, seeing an opening, declines Obama's offer to be ambassador to China and runs in 2012 with more establishment support and without the "taint" of having served in Obama's administration.

I still think he's likely too temperamentally unsuited and too moderate to win the nomination. But he'd certainly have a better chance without Romney in the race. I could see him giving Obama a closer race, so him winning would not be impossible.

I think if Romney takes the nomination in '08 then the establishment in 2012 would go for Tim 'Who am I? Why I Am I here?' Pawlenty, who was basically the guy waiting for Romney to keel over IOTL but otherwise had no function and no constituency.

I think John McCain would be the Huntsman of that race, and Huntsman would be an asterisk.
 
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