Hungary without Trianon

Without altering the outcome of WWI, how could Hungary escape punitive measures like the Treaty of Trianon? How would a Hungary with all (or even most) of its pre-Trianon boundaires fair for the rest of the 20th century?
 
Maybe, Hungarian rebellion against the Habsburgs sometimes in 1916 or 1917? Of course, it would be crushed, but the Hungarians could receive some sympathies from the Entente. But I don't see, why the Hungarians would rebel, in the first place.
Or successful Communist revolution in 1919 (it did succeed, but the Hungarian Red Army was defeated later). Soviet intervention could help, but the Red Russians were too busy fighting the Whites, the Poles and the Ukrainians.
As for the future of Greater Hungary... Well, there would be ethnic minorities with their uprisings and subsequent crackdowns; unfriendly neighbors (Serbia, because there wouldn't be Yugoslavia, Czechia (without Slovakia and Transcarpathia); Romania (without Transylvania) and, of course, Austria). It wouldn't be boring. Hungary even could survive till 1991. But then - see Yugoslavia of the 1990-ies.
 
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Something would have to happen to Wilson since the various minorities within Hungary have basically been guaranteed their own nations.
 
You mean to have 2/3s of its population and land taken away? Why was that necessary? Because they lost the war?

There's no particular reason they should be dealt with any less harshly than the Austrians were. Also the Romanians had been promised portions of the Transylvanian region. There were multiple overlying ethnic claims to various portions of the Balkans and Central Europe and the Hungarians were on the losing side.
 
Punitive = to punish

Why do you say 'punitive measures'? Hungary got what it deserved.

Because the goal and end result of the Treaty was to punish the Kingdom of Hungary (well at the time it was the Soviet Socialist Republic of Hungary) for being on the losing side of WWI. Never mind that they entered as part of the A-H empire (and we all know who told who what to do in that arangement:rolleyes:).

I'm of the opinion that in order to keep more than 1/3rd of their original country Hungary has to make a seperate peace in 1917. Maybe avoiding Bélá Kún's Reign of Terror with such an armistice?
 
Because the goal and end result of the Treaty was to punish the Kingdom of Hungary (well at the time it was the Soviet Socialist Republic of Hungary) for being on the losing side of WWI. Never mind that they entered as part of the A-H empire (and we all know who told who what to do in that arangement:rolleyes:).

Yes, Hungary, by holding the whole polity hostage by a threat to secede which they would never dare carry through.

Actually, Hungary was for holding back in Serbia while Austria baid for blood, but the idea that Viennese Tyranny continued after 1867 really irritates me. Its simply untrue. For example, Austria went to considerable diplomatic lengths to convince Hungary to back the war.
 
Why do you say 'punitive measures'? Hungary got what it deserved.

I thought, having made a rather anti-Hungarian statement on the working of AH, I should make clear that I agree this is bullshit. A people can do nothing to deserve being included in another country except voting for it, which the people of many areas such as Bratislava and Szeklerland decidedly did not.

The new boundaries were completely arbitrary in some areas, such as the Danube border. Some would argue that Hungary brought Trianon down on itself by abusing its minorities under a ruthless Magyarisation scheme. They forget that in the 19th Century, this was normal. Slovakia, the lot of it, was considered integral Hungarian territory, ancient and sacred, not "colonial". Every European power tried to "-ise" the people of such territory. France, for example, was comprehensive and heavy-handed in Francising, say, the Bretons. What was the difference between the Bretons and the Slovaks? Solely that the Slovaks developed and preserved a national identity which caused the scheme to fail, thanks to having the Czechs to guide and inspire them, whereas Brittany was without a Celtic big brother and the people never thought of themselves as anything besides French up until their language was basically destroyed.
 
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