Hungarian Victory at Mohacs

corourke

Donor
I am currently brainstorming a revised version of this timeline with a different, slightly earlier, POD. I haven't nailed down anything concrete for the POD, but it will bring about a war between the Mamluks, Persians, and Ottomans around 1515. A defeat at the hands of the Persians will make the collapse of the Ottoman Empire somewhat easier to swallow.
 
I am currently brainstorming a revised version of this timeline with a different, slightly earlier, POD. I haven't nailed down anything concrete for the POD, but it will bring about a war between the Mamluks, Persians, and Ottomans around 1515. A defeat at the hands of the Persians will make the collapse of the Ottoman Empire somewhat easier to swallow.

That's true.

But I'd still add a hungarian POD so that once the Ottomans are weakened, the Hungarians can attack in Europe.

What about an earlier Hapsburg marriage thus adding Hapsburg and imperial strength to Hungary?
 

corourke

Donor
That's true.

But I'd still add a hungarian POD so that once the Ottomans are weakened, the Hungarians can attack in Europe.

What about an earlier Hapsburg marriage thus adding Hapsburg and imperial strength to Hungary?

I'd prefer to avoid that, as I have other plans for the Habsburgs...
 

corourke

Donor
Anyway, why did you place Tyrol (and Trent by default, but anyway) and Istria in the Kingdom of Italy?

I can understand, but just to clarify.

Including Italy in the Three Kingdoms Proclamation is basically an announcement of intent to unify Italy under the Habsburg dynasty. Putting Tyrol and Istria in Italy was meant to intimidate Venice by surrounding her.

Well, there's allways a new crusade available isn't it?:)

You sure do love those crusades, don't you? I don't really think a crusade is likely to happen as the current situation in the Levant is beneficial for everyone (besides the Papacy, which is extremely weak in this timeline). If there were a crusade, then it is likely that one power would come to dominate the Levant and thus the lucrative trading options would be closed for the rest of Europe. It's kind of an implicit 'hands-off' zone at this time.
 
I don't really think a crusade is likely to happen as the current situation in the Levant is beneficial for everyone (besides the Papacy, which is extremely weak in this timeline). If there were a crusade, then it is likely that one power would come to dominate the Levant and thus the lucrative trading options would be closed for the rest of Europe. It's kind of an implicit 'hands-off' zone at this time.

Oh, I didn't mean something going for Jerusalem!

IOTL, several anti-Ottoman wars were called crusades. You said you want to change your POD to Persians defeating the Ottomans and killing the Sultan and maybe an heir or two. And it seems you like expanding Hungary. Thus I thought about a repeated try like Nikopolis 1396, hence a larger european army (not only hungarian, thus stronger) attacking the Ottomans in a weak, chaotic situation in the balkans therefore conquering some lands. I don't think such a thing would be an official, medieval-like crusade, but rather a hungarian war with foreign troops helping them. Probably the pope would have nothing to do with it. I just think that - even when Hungary fights on its own - a war against the Ottomans at that time would still be called crusade, no matter whether the pope, the emperor or foreign troops are involved or not.
 
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