Hundred Years War: FranceScrew

FranceScrew - think the opposite of Wank, how badly can you screw over France if they lost the Hundred Years War? At the moment this is basically being powered by a metric ass-tonne of handwavium at the moment since it's more of a random mental exercise until I come up with a decent PoD. Apologies in advance to any French board members. :)

The general idea is that for one reason or another France is crushed and loses the war, one possibility being Burgundy and England remain allied and keep fighting. The English taking a long hard look at the situation realise that they wont be able to hold onto the whole of France as they have too little manpower, so decide on slicing off some parts for themselves to be added to England directly (Gascony and Calais perhaps?) without any ties to the French crown and follow a scorched earth policy elsewhere in return for giving up their claims on France-proper. Burgundy gets freed from all commitments to France and becomes fully independent picking up a little extra land. What other clauses could England and Burgundy insist upon to ensure that France is as crippled as possible and not likely to be a threat to their neighbouring lands? Aside from Gascony and Calaise what other areas do people thing England might have had a realistic shot at of holding onto?
 

Germaniac

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The English rulers (who still spoke french) would likely base their kingdom around france and England would be the under nation
 
Aragon gets Toulouse and Burgundy Champagne, Picardy and the area inbetween, finally having a connenction between Burgundy proper and the Low Countries.

England takes Normandy, Gascony, Maine and maybe some other provinces they have a claim to (and can hold on to).

The rest e.g. Brittany is defacto independent.

"France" is confined to the Ille-de-France.

England and Burgundy end up in a state of perpetual hostiliy for the next several centuries, eventually spanning the entire globe. Instead of present-day Belgium becoming the battleground between France and England is the area between the Loire and Seine the battleground between England and Burgundy. Burgundy and Scotland naturally form a permanent alliance against England.

So no big changes.:p
 
As Archdevil says, for it to be BAD for France you need to dismember it. Simply having the English rule most of it, will make France the more powerful of the joint kingdoms and see its emerge dominant in the future

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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