Howard Gardner's "7 types of intelligence" becomes popular in U.S. during post-WWII shake-up of educ

the current med school system is almost like we require professional baseball players to study baseball physics and physics in general for four to eight years. And from this very diminished pool, we pick the best pitchers and best hitters!
 
the current med school system is almost like we require professional baseball players to study baseball physics and physics in general for four to eight years. And from this very diminished pool, we pick the best pitchers and best hitters!
Um, as I understand it, baseball is essentially weaponized math, so...
 
in an ATL, most surgeons would be between 19 and 40 years old. Some go longer, but most leave surgery about that age because of diminishing physical skills, with many making the transition to other fields in medicine.

A big advantage comes, say, when your relative needs a heart valve operation (a non-surgeon primarily making this decision), he or she gets a surgeon really good and really specialized.

And we have interesting stories of young men or women who in earlier times might be working minimum wage at Office Depot while they do guitar gigs in the evening . . . instead entering a highly competitive field where they earn $120,000, and yes, can comfortably afford studio time thank you very much! :) And, they’re helping a number of people along the way.
 
in an ATL, most surgeons would be between 19 and 40 years old. Some go longer, but most leave surgery about that age because of diminishing physical skills, with many making the transition to other fields in medicine.

A big advantage comes, say, when your relative needs a heart valve operation (a non-surgeon primarily making this decision), he or she gets a surgeon really good and really specialized.

And we have interesting stories of young men or women who in earlier times might be working minimum wage at Office Depot while they do guitar gigs in the evening . . . instead entering a highly competitive field where they earn $120,000, and yes, can comfortably afford studio time thank you very much! :) And, they’re helping a number of people along the way.

The problem is, physical skills is NOT the most important aspect for surgery for a long time. Most people who have normal degree of manual dexterity can be trained to possess the skills needed by a surgeon. What most people do not have is the capacity to learn the knowledge need by a surgeon.

the current med school system is almost like we require professional baseball players to study baseball physics and physics in general for four to eight years. And from this very diminished pool, we pick the best pitchers and best hitters!

This is an incorrect of how today evidence-based medicine works. Like it or now, physical skills would increasingly be replaceable.
 
As a teacher who was trained to focus on Gardner's 7 intelligences, especially with "Gifted and Talented" students in the 1990's and early 2000's, I would say that introducing that concept 30-40 years ahead of time might cause us more problems than it would solve. . . "
The so-called gifted students, who are good in a lot of areas, are probably the ones who need the concept the least.

Or in the UK, I think they might be called the All Rounders
 
. . . Stand and Deliver does work well for presenting information in large bunches, . . .
A movie might be an example of where it works relatively well. A person can sit through an entire 2-hour movie and get most of the information.

I think in part because of the comfortable chair! One seasoned teacher said she thought one reason boys have more trouble in school (especially with the institutional demand that "you must stay in your chair") was for the very simple and straightforward reason that boys on average have less padding on their buttocks than do girls.
 
I don't have an opinion either way, but credit to OP for this original point of divergence and the discussions its caused. Sure has made me think!
 
. . . Most people who have normal degree of manual dexterity can be trained to possess the skills needed by a surgeon. What most people do not have is the capacity to learn the knowledge need by a surgeon. . .
I'm envisioning a very different system in which the surgeon is not the leading person in deciding who gets the surgery, nor the leading person in post-operative care.

Rather, like a left-handed reliever who comes in during the 8th inning, the surgeon is brought in to do a very specific job and almost always does an excellent job at it.

I also like the analogy in which young men and women in the U.S. Navy, I understand sometimes as young as age 18 or 19, are given jobs of responsibility and usually do excellent jobs.
 
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Unintended Consequences of the Flexner Report: Women in Pediatrics

Pediatrics, Barkin, Fuentes-Afflick, et al., Dec. 2010.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21059716

' . . . enshrined an educational model that favored the laboratory over the bedside, the hospital over the home, and the physician-as-researcher over the physician-as-practitioner. . . '

' . . . From 1880 to 1900, the number of female physicians doubled (to 5.6%), and in some cities such as Boston, Massachusetts, and Minneapolis, Minnesota, nearly 1 in 5 physicians were female. Although England had 258 female physicians and France had 95, the United States could boast more than 7000 female physicians. . . '

' . . . The proportion of women who graduated from medical school decreased to an all-time low shortly after the Flexner report was issued (2.9% in 1915), and the proportion remained below 5% until the 1970s, . . . '

' . . . Moreover, the Flexner report recommended longer periods of study, which may have limited women's ability to finance medical studies. . . '
The "Flexner Report" was issued in 1910.

And it's what declared that two years of lab studies was what was essential to being a doctor. And that everything else was a mere nicety.
 
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Every Second Counts: The Race to Transplant the First Human Heart

Donald McRae, 2006, page 189:

https://books.google.com/books?id=2...e atrial chambers of the donor heart"&f=false

' . . . he listened to his Ink Spots records. [Christiaan] Barnard eventually became drowsy and he drifted in and out of sleep. He claimed in subsequent accounts that his subconscious took over, leaving him with the sudden conviction when he woke that he should not follow Lower and Shumway's surgical technique to the letter.

'In Richmond, while studying Lower at work, Barnard had watched the American surgeon cut away the back wall of the atrial chambers of the donor heart so that the remaining bulk of the organ could be sutured to the dangling remnants of the recipient heart. This entailed cutting across the septum, or central wall, of both hearts, and could damage the donor organ. Barnard resolved that he would instead allow the septum to remain intact in the donor heart and that, rather than cutting away the entire back wall, he would slice open two small holes— . . .
I'd say that Christiaan Barnard is a candidate for a person with excellent spatial reasoning skills.

And it need not be something as dramatic as a heart transplant. It can be something like a quicker, simpler, less mistake prone way to remove an appendix.
 
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