Isaac Beach

Banned
Thanks! If you don't mind I've got a few more questions.
How has the internet evolved over 5 centuries? I don't expect technical details (although maybe I should) but some insight into how people interact with it and its place in society would be great.
I'd also like to learn more about Calbear's Coup. Why and how did it happen? What happened afterwards? Did Ian start another forum or just give up?
Is Thande-Blaming universal? And is there anyone who takes the following seriously?
Thande-blaming has been a national pastime in England for centuries. The earliest recorded incidence of Thande-blaming has been hesitantly dated to the 16th century, in the marginalia of the Macclesfield Psalter (now in the Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge): “Thyffe pleafes me notte. Itt ys Thandys fawlte.” Thande-blaming was certainly a popular sport in Elizabethan England, and figures heavily in popular literature of the time. The 1603 'bad' quarto of Hamlet, for example, records Laertes' dying words thus: ……………………………………..here I lie, Never to rise again: thy mother's poison'd: I can no more: Thande! Thande is to blame. Jacobean Thande-blaming was a drunken and often violent pass-time, on which extensive bets were sometimes made, and it was banned by Cromwell as a 'Papist practice leading to decadence and unholy thought'. (Incidentally, Milton's Satan in Paradise Lost is often read as a closet Thande-blamer.) Underground “blame-easies” quickly sprang up, and the practice survived well into the eighteenth century, when the early Romantics brought it back into the public eye by controversially embracing the 'blame-Thande' ethos. The quantities of blame attached to Thande in this period were frankly excessive, even by modern standards, and were so much decried in polite society that Byron was forced to re-write the early draft of Manfred, in which Thande kills Manfred by stealth. By the nineteenth century, however, the practice had been thoroughly incorporated into polite society. Even Queen Victoria gave it her own spin by simply declaring Thande 'not amusing'. This period was really the zenith of Thande-blaming in Great Britain, and set the standard for future 'blamers (as they came to me known). W.G. Grace was the champion of Victorian 'blamers, and is justly regarded as the father of the modern profession. Thande-blaming today is, sadly, a neglected area of British culture. Woeful underfunding of modern blame societies and the advent of digital e-blaming have taken their toll, and 'blamers are now more active in the US, Canada and Australia than in the UK. Nonetheless a revival is underway, and new pockets of Thande-blaming are springing up all over the country (notably in Oxford, Reading, London and Cheshire). It surely cannot be too much to hope that blaming Thande will one day regain its place as the prince of British hobbies.
Any other shadow nations of note?
What does GC stand for, and is there a story behind the change from AD/CE?

Of course; the internet is absolutely enormous. There are hundreds of layers that intersect in so many different ways as to make policing it near impossible. Google has long since gone under and connectivity across the vastness of space is handled by towing enormous mast radiators between planets and systems; they are heavily defended as they are the communicative lifeline of many colonies. Webspace itself has taken the form of a vast network of search engines, digital lobbies, portals and neural interfaces, constantly growing and collapsing and fluctuating as websites are born, grow much as countries in some cases, before either collapsing, being subsumed by other predatory websites or finding their own niche to survive in. Complete artificial reality is fairly simple, utilising the same neural method that disconnects the brain from the body during sleep and instead reconnecting those neural pathways to the internet via a simple headset. Due to this some religions revolving around uploading one's brain directly to the internet and forgoing a body are popular, but whether they are actually people's souls or just intricate digital copies is a matter of debate among technicians and theologians. Because of this intricacy, cyberspace is basically considered another realm of Humanity and often treated with the same regard as foreign governments; particularly powerful websites even have seats in some multinational bodies and the 'Stellar Shura' -the interstellar bureaucratic body that governs across all Human systems- exists predominantly online. Still, people will just pop online to find the news or porn or forums, video games and video streaming services; but there is a whole subsection of Humanity who basically exist on the web and this has lead to the internet being an important facet of Humanity.
Now I'll be very careful here because I don't want it to seem like I'm actually commentating on the intricacies of our board's governance. It's just for fun y'all. But Calbear and Ian had a fundamental disagreement regarding artificial intelligences; Ian wanted to treat them as equals and give them board membership, but this was a minority opinion and Calbear represented the great majority of the board who believed that AIs were dangerous and should not be given the same rights as Humanity. Eventually, Ian declared that AIs would be given the same rights as other members; so Calbear seized the site's reigns and digitally apprehended and subsumed the controls that made Ian Admin. Those that agreed with Ian left the board, and some say that Ian still lurks on the fringes of the vast AH community in disguise.
It's not universal across the board but it is very popular, accounting for about 20% of the board's religious affiliation on a website that has three million active users (quite small for a shadow nation actually) and has spread into other websites -such as TvTropes- and even the real world; there are celebrations across Yorkshire. It's considered a real religion and there's a bit of a schism going on between those that see Thande as a Christian prophet and those who see him as a god all his own.
Very few that we'd know today; Wikipedia has a successor whose adherents scour the internet and real world in search of knowledge that they then record both in digital and physical copies. TvTropes has done a similar thing as AH and monetised their purpose, picking out stereotypes and tropes both in media and real life and thus serve both advertising companies and 'culture builders', who are usually colonists trying to differentiate their society from those around them. The future's weird. Youtube doesn't exist but a vault of video, audio and other teledigital forms exists that literally has over a trillion videos on it. Sometimes it interacts in odd ways with users leading some to conclude that it's gained sapience by analysing all the inputs it controls but others think it's just a glitch.
GC stands for Gregorian Calendar. Which is important because the Islamic and Chinese Calendars are used more often.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
Here's a lil' something I've thrown together over the preceding days to explain the state of Sol in my worldbuild 'The Concert of Planets' in 2525. I'll post it in the main map thread when the posts tick over; if someone wants to help that happen I'd be very appreciative ;).

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howaboutthisforaname, when I look at the map of Europe you made and the map of the world wip that galicia was gone, what happen to it. also what happen to studio glibly and Disney/pixar. also what dose steller blues sound like. and what happen to Christianity and Islamism in the future. also whats do the future view the 20th and 21th century. also will there be maps for all the sol planets. also how advance is genetic modification and AIs in the future.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
howaboutthisforaname, when I look at the map of Europe you made and the map of the world wip that galicia was gone, what happen to it. also what happen to studio glibly and Disney/pixar. also what dose steller blues sound like. and what happen to Christianity and Islamism in the future. also whats do the future view the 20th and 21th century. also will there be maps for all the sol planets. also how advance is genetic modification and AIs in the future.

Nothing, it was just because it was WIP. I've since added it.
They don't exist anymore as of 2525, Disney eventually closed shop in the 2100s during a major recession before the 2nd American-Mexican War and Ghibli closed thereafter due to Japan's collapse. Describing it would be difficult; it sounds a lot like traditional vapourwave, albeit with more vocals and an overall darker pitch. This isn't really it, but it's the closest example I could find. They both exist still, Islam is the largest religion on Earth, in Sol and across Human inhabited space. They've both grown to be far more syncretised with both one another and more eastern, Dharmic religions. So someone could praise Jesus as the messiah but also pay their respects to the Taoist author Zuang Zhou. Most religions are like that.

Basically as any other period in history, views differ. The Chinese see it as the century in which they returned to their position as the single most powerful country on Earth, whilst the Indians remember it as the time in which their country briefly collapsed. The Africans see it as a period of hibernation, after which they exploded into the 22nd Century as the most powerful bloc on Earth. The West see it as their downfall, and this can be both from a positive and negative perspective.

Hopefully, I have a few on my deviantart gallery for Mosir and Bahrad and I'm working on maps for Earth, Jinxia and Titan. AIs are very advanced and very intelligent, however in creating AIs it was found that they actually can't independently build smarter and smarter AIs as they are forced to work within the parameters of their own creation even if those parameters allow them to accrue new information. So godlike AIs aren't a thing, but they are used in everyday life from the administration of public transport to the detection of criminal activity and assistance to law enforcement to the articulation of transorbital traffic to the moderation and modulation of the internet. Genetic modification is *very* advanced, A human body can be effectively cloned and replaced and such technologies are usually used for therapeutic purposes. By 2525 the oldest Human is near 600 years old but new diseases, conditions and the sheer difficult one would have with surviving for that period of time means that few Humans ever reach that age. It's also useful in adaptation to new climates and gravities; for instance the inhabitants of Titan have as productive bodies as Earthlings with half the oxygen requirements, and have many of the symptoms of Methemoglobinemia due to the high prevalence of nitrogen in the atmosphere, including blue tinged skin.
 
Are there any successors to Disney, Ghibil, and Marvel? How is western animation? How did Japan fall apart? Is genetic modification up to making new human species and catgirls. Will there be a update on military technology? Are holograms and AIs use to bring back dead people. What happened to rap and metal?
Fixed that for you.
I think.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
are there any successors to Disney and ghibil, also hows western animation and how did japan fall apart and what are the successor of marvel and Disney and is genetic modification up making new human spices and catgirls levels and will there be a update on military technology. also are holograms and Ais use to bring back dead people.

Not really, there are other animation companies from across Earth and Sol but there aren't any that would purport to succeed Disney or Ghibli and their formula is considered very outdated as of 2525. Western animation's alright, not as popular or widespread as African of Indian and has a weird auteur edge to it because of the prevalence of Carolingian animators. Japan's population collapsed as low as 80 million in the early 2100s and fell apart entirely at the tail end of that century. There are no successors to Marvel or DC, who are also dead.

Sort of, Humans are still recognisably Human but there are several variations, the Titanians I just mentioned for example. There are also Jinxians, sometimes called 'Homo Venus' who only need to sleep for half the time Humans do due to their day being three times as long as our own, and are resistant to many things that are toxic on Earth such as sulfuric acid and solar radiation; most 'Homo Lunae', people native to moons, have denser bones and musculature in order to ensure the low gravity doesn't destroy their bodies. But no, not new species in the actual sense of the word. And no, splicing Human genomes with those of animals is illegal throughout Human inhabited space.

Maybe, I presume so but I don't know enough about military technology to post one as of yet. Sort of, you can make a virtual copy of a person's brain by flash cloning it onto a digital template. These can be uploaded to specialised projectors and the Hologram will behave and act as that person up until the point that they were flash cloned. They can also be utilised as AIs, but for ethical reasons this is generally disallowed. Interestingly, because you have to flash clone a brain while it's still functional, the virtual copies of any given person won't know that they died. But I should clarify that this is a copy, it doesn't move the brain over, it's a just a copy. Death is death.
 
so a hologram of thevlogbrothers or nostalgia critic can still exist to make ther shows keep going,for example. also what happen to rap and metal. and what is considered conservative and progress in the future. are there mechs and iron man suits and cybernetics in this world. and are any extinct animals brought back to life? also how are native American in this timeline and Vermont/new York and uk. also whats the culture of kanto,ayuchi,chinzie. im going that hokkaido has a aniu relvilazion, and jung-gug is japans/koren hybrid. also what formula are the animations studios using now.
 
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Isaac Beach

Banned
so a hologram of thevlogbrothers or nostalgia critic can still exist to make ther shows keep going,for example. also what happen to rap and metal. and what is considered conservative and progress in the future. are there mechs and iron man suits and cybernetics in this world. and are any extinct animals brought back to life? also how are native American in this timeline and Vermont/new York and uk. also whats the culture of kanto,ayuchi,chinzie. im going that hokkaido has a aniu relvilazion, and jung-gug is japans/koren hybrid. also what formula are the animations studios using now.

No. Because they died before the technology came into existence. Rap's still around, and actually fairly similar to how it's always been given there's only oh so many ways you can talk into a microphone musically, though the subjects are less 'bitches, money, guns' and are at current going through a period to do with the lonely life of interstellar freighters, among other things. Metal has seen resuscitations and resurrections a few times in the past 500 years but at current is not particularly popular, the few bands that are popular copy a lot of the distorted effects utilised by Jazzwave.
Mechs, yes, though they look more like upright tanks then men; bulky and unwieldy and loaded with firepower. In various countries you can often see police units patrolling in them, often surrounded by more traditionally attired and thus approachable officers. Iron man suits, no. Cybernetics are endemic, and most people that won't any edge in the workplace have one or two to help order their thoughts. Yeah, Tasmanian Tigers for instance have been reintroduced to Tasmania and a few other planets, and Mammoths can be found in Antarctica(one of the few places that are still cold enough to have them), other animals to be resurrected include Baiji Dolphins, Javan Tigers, Pyrenean Ibexes, Passenger Pigeons and Quagga. No dinosaurs though, they're off limits.
More populous and well respected in the various American republics, they often have informal monarchies within the Americas and formal ones on the few colonised planets they exist on, especially Mosir. Vermont's a comparatively thinly populated state with what is widely considered the most professional and disciplined army in North America, New York is still a part of America but not nearly as important as it used to be and the UK no longer exists.
Kanto is very traditionalist and isolationist, Ayuchi has a lot of Afro-Venusians and in turn plenty of Ayuchi travel to and live on Venus, Chinzei is similar to Kanto but more engaged with the outside world, a lot like OTL Japan. Their capital is a major global city.
When I say formula I refer to their story formula, and it tends to focus more on interplanetary adventure and aliens than on medieval princesses.
 

Skallagrim

Banned
It remains fascinating. One thing that really surprises me, however, is the notion that there could be something like a "universal prohibition" in this kind of setting. Unless there is some kind of factor in play here that hasn't been explained yet, I cannot bring myself to believe that anything could be "illegal throughout Human inhabited space". I mean... how? There are lots of different political entities, some of them hostile towards one another (to some degree). There are various religious traditions, so a universal moral/religious prohibition strikes me as impossible as well. And then there's the fact that their are some very libertarian polities out on the fringes, who are unlikely to accept any legal prohibition applied by other polities.

So how can splicing Human genomes with those of animals be illegal throughout Human inhabited space? How can attempts to resurrect dinosaurs be "off limits"? Given the state of this universe, I cannot see those kinds of prohibitions working any better than anti-piracy laws today. Look at how ineffective attempts to shut down The Pirate Bay have been, and then consider attempts to enforce any kind of law across a solar system...

How would that work?
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
It remains fascinating. One thing that really surprises me, however, is the notion that there could be something like a "universal prohibition" in this kind of setting. Unless there is some kind of factor in play here that hasn't been explained yet, I cannot bring myself to believe that anything could be "illegal throughout Human inhabited space". I mean... how? There are lots of different political entities, some of them hostile towards one another (to some degree). There are various religious traditions, so a universal moral/religious prohibition strikes me as impossible as well. And then there's the fact that their are some very libertarian polities out on the fringes, who are unlikely to accept any legal prohibition applied by other polities.

So how can splicing Human genomes with those of animals be illegal throughout Human inhabited space? How can attempts to resurrect dinosaurs be "off limits"? Given the state of this universe, I cannot see those kinds of prohibitions working any better than anti-piracy laws today. Look at how ineffective attempts to shut down The Pirate Bay have been, and then consider attempts to enforce any kind of law across a solar system...

How would that work?

Well of course, when I say it's prohibited there are still those on the fringes of society that would disagree and make their attempts anyway. But there's also a lack of interest and thus a lack of capacity for a lot of it, especially dinosaurs given those that would otherwise resurrect them don't have the resources to incubate them. Prohibitions are very doable in the inner Solar Community and most civilised systems; the Stellar Shura is strongest around mature, heavily populated planets and so the intraministerial security forces will usually cooperate with local forces to hunt down and convict any attempts of breaking the law. If in a particular country they don't like where the security forces are coming from, the Shura will pragmatically select their security forces from countries with which that initial country is friendly with. And they have agents everywhere so they have the resources and manpower to basically hammer out any resistance.
On the edges of space, such as around the Kuiper Belt or on the moon of Edward in the Xuanwu System, people can get away with it but they are operating wholly outside of the law and so the resources and availability are lesser. So there have been attempts to splice animal genome with Humans, though they've mostly failed at current. And getting dinosaur DNA is rather difficult when you're operating outside of the law. The difference here is that Pirate Bay is intangible and digitalised, whereas these are people operating on the edge of Human inhabited space with very difficult and complex procedures. So it's really self mitigating, though it does happen occasionally.

On the other hand, there are some interesting things that have been legalised. Attempts to uplift animals have proven rather more difficult than first anticipated, and so they don't have hundreds of thousands of hyper intelligent animals pottering about. Only a few animals have been receptive to uplifting attempts, and these include certain kinds of chimps and apes, orcas, bears, dolphins and honey badgers (Yep, hone badgers). The biggest issue is that with some of these creatures they have a wholly different psychology to humanity, especially the dolphins and honey badgers, who are assholes. So after the first few successful attempts and many more unsuccessful attempts on monkeys, cats and dogs, various birds and fish, scientific interest petered out though the few animals it does work on are experimented on and uplifted regularly. So that's well legal, just very difficult.

Out of universe, I am not having fracking cat people. I ain't no furry. :p
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
The Arrow Winged With His Own Feather

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The flag of the American Union[1]

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The Union proper & it’s close ally, the Kingdom of Wasatch

Lost are the days when America ruled the world, when all beared heed to the beating heart of democracy. Lost are the days when the United States ruled from sea the shining sea, when it constituted the wealthiest, most advanced state in existence. Lost are the days when their navy, their stellar penetration, their economy was unmatched. Lost are the days of the American Hyperpower.
And that’s alright.

Climatologically the continent is not what it used to be; thick jungle coats the southern shore between Tampa and Corpus Christi, extending up the Mississippi watershed where it peters out around the fork of the Ohio and Mississippi in the north and just short of the old Virginian border in the east. It has come to be known as the Dixie Basin. The bluegrass meadows Kentucky was famous for have shifted north into Ohio and Indiana, and the coasts of the Great Lakes are more temperate, even Mediterranean than they used to be. Unfortunately for the Midwest, the wheat belt has permanently shifted northwards, and they have suffered slow aridification until they resemble California or South Africa more than the rolling meadows of yore.
This has had some interesting effects on the average American diet. Cassava, tropical fruits as mango and guava are endemic, a proper southerner appreciates peanut soup, fufu and moambe washed down with a tall glass of sugarcane mojito. In the Outback Midwest mint tea compliments chicken yassa and couscous, damper and pavlova, and in the temperate north-east souvlaki, red mullet and ful medames are enjoyed alongside a short shot of palinka.

Unlike many comparative nations as New England or Canada, where ethnic identity is clearly defined and respected[2], the US is unabashedly interracial and the half a billion strong population is largely of a bronzed complexion as the lines between African Americans, Latinos, Cubans[3] and Caucasians has blurred. Indeed, Americans are noted for their stunning heterochromic eyes and the lustre of their multicoloured hair, ranging in long clumps of gold and brown and red.
Herein, it seems only appropriate that their religion be as cooperative and synthetic as their people; Cooperative Abrahamism dominates the country, but ironically adheres to strict tenants of church autonomy, individual competency and the god given privacy of each adherent. In tandem, in the recesses of the Dixie Basin where man has not dared tread in number since the 2100s, the murksome Rastafarian religion is practiced by the descendants of the superstitious refugees that fled the southern coast as it sunk beneath the waves.
There is also a notable number of Mestri[4] in the United States, mostly gathered into autonomous collectives in the outback or as a part of the many ministries around the country, as proselytization has been thorough and many of their member have been swayed by the salvationists of the Cooperative. The Mestri community in the United States is the second largest on Earth, after China.

The American Union uses what is contemporarily referred to as ‘Commissioned Democracy’. Unelected committees composed varyingly of experts, legal professionals, soldiers, scientists, unionists, technocrats and other specialists -depending on the committee’s purpose- devise new legislation that is then put to vote among a traditionally elected legislature, the Assembly, who may pass, propose changes, or reject the proposal altogether. Given the American Union is a unitary state[5], they utilise a proportional system of representation and so a variety of parties sit on the Assembly, though it is noted quite specifically in the Constitution that no member must vote along party lines and so defections and cross-floor gerrymandering is common. The most prevalent parties are noted below.

The Populist Party
Not nearly as radical as it sounds, the Populist Part is a constitutionalist, conservative but secular party that at current oppose the rights of synthetic lifeforms and uplifted animals, believe in strong regulation of key industries, exports and the environment, and believe in the political consolidation of America’s few interstellar territories into the metropole itself[6]. They have their power base in the -non-Rastafarian- Deep South, Cuba and Chicago and currently rule in coalition with…

The Industrialist Party
Fairly minarchist and certainly more radical than the Populists by the standards of the 2500s. They are virulently atheistic, do not consider animals or synthetic lifeforms freely thinking beings, believe in protectionism and even some of the eco-jingoist policies of radical Brazil. They too believe in the consolidation of America’s interstellar colonies but would like them militarised, something that the Populist Part is opposed to. The Industrialists’ heartland is in navy-dominated Florida, as well as the Outback in the Midwest.

The Syndicalist Party
The predominating force of the opposition, the Syndicalists are progressives in that they believe in the right to express one’s faith in the public arena, the rights of synthetic lifeforms and uplifted animals (if not outright citizenship), believe in a loosening of regulation regarding exports and key industries and instead turning over those industries to syndical unions, and believe that regulations regarding the environment are pointless given the planet’s biosphere changes all the time[7]. The Syndicalists also prefer the autonomist method of governance regarding the interstellar territories, instead relying on vested interests and dialogue to maintain influence over the areas. Their strength lies in New York, primarily, but they have stakes in the more metropolitan regions of the Midwest, especially Minneapolis.

The Monarchist Party
Throughout the Second Civil War, Mexican Invasion and Pacification Wars, a notable General, the Afro-Russian, Chicagoan born Isaiah Melnik, served valiantly and was much reported in popular media as a fair, tenacious yet even general with visionary leadership and good oratory skills. When the American government broke down midway through the Mexican Invasion General Melnik took control of the Mississippi and the central US and is widely credited with keeping the bulk of the country together as the fringes broke off into their own nations, and in doing so was crowned by his men as Emperor Isaiah the First. When Mexico delineated its new border and security forces from Canada, the Carolingian Republic, India and Africa moved in to restore order, they repudiated this declaration. As such, the Monarchist Party was founded and has slowly been gaining in popularity since the late 2200s when it first gained seats in the Assembly.

The American Union has what has been described as an ‘especial relationship’ with the Kingdom of Wasatch[8], the small Mormon country to its northwest. With a pegged currency, a policy of open borders and having recognised the Melniks as Dukes of Snake River, Wasatch would be a part of the Union were it not for their beloved king, Muslims[9] and line marriages.

The economy of the Union has shifted somewhat, though parts are familiar. New York, while smaller, still dominates the nation’s financial sector. Agriculture dominates the South, though it is now of a tropical disposition with rice fields and fruit orchids principal to its operation. Industry has shifted west into the now agriculturally poor but resource rich Outback, and manufacturing there is booming, with everything from the fabrication of magnetised, polysteel fusion hulls to metal-organic supercapacitors to high-density radiation shielding to heavy duty polypropylene tools[10] to the hundreds of thousands of ballistics that the Americans still innovate upon. They scurry across the Earth in great cargo vessels operating out of Cuba and Orleans and across the stars in freight towers[11] emblazoned at their flat fore with the Union Eagle.

The Americans are a warm, diverse, stalwartly religious, enthusiastic and yet sombre people. With a sense of humour some might describe as black and a tendency to enclose upon themselves when such things as politics or war are mentioned; that isn’t what they are[12]. But foreigners will find them energetic and homely, willing to extend a hand to and accept into their societal family any who pays heed to their flag and creed. They are no longer the great giant lording over the Earthling scape, but they don’t need to be, because they are themselves.

~​

[1] – Full credit for the flag unabashedly goes to Undeadmuffin, thanks a bunch man. Originally it was a fascist American flag, but here I’ve repurposed it to represent the unitary nature of the Union and its belief in a strong, territorial nation.

[2] – Ironically self-segregation isn’t necessarily seen as a bad thing in the 2500s, given it helps to preserve cultural identity and integrity. The backlash to globalism was incredibly fierce and the uptick of regionalism even more so.

[3] – Often considered a separate ethnic group from the rest of Latin America, due to the higher prevalence of ‘mulattos’ and the lesser number of Caucasians by the time they completely opened up in the mid-2000s.

[4] – Again, big trilaterally symmetrical, interstellar refugees that destroyed their own home planet due to ecological devastation after over farming the bloody thing into oblivion.

[5] – Much of the problems with the United States were believed to arise from gridlock between the federal and state governments, which has some truth to it but is far from the only reason they stagnated. After the Mexican Invasion they abolished the remaining states.

[6] – You’ll note that a lot of these ideas are concepts we’d associate with progressive politicians today; there have been several political realignments and in doing so stringent regulation and environmentalism has become a core conservative idea.

[7] – Not that they’re denying this is caused by Human interference, just that to try and prevent human interference is a fruitless effort.

[8] – Wasatch is so named due to the famous battle of the same name; at the Battle of Wasatch, taking place on the slopes of the Wasatch Mountains on the border between Montana and Idaho, Mormon forces halted the Mexican advanced as it pushed north through Utah. Millions of Mormons were forced into Idaho whilst fleeing, and the bravery of the defenders went down in history.

[9] – Many Muslims fled to the newly declared Kingdom of Idaho -later renamed Boise- during the Pacification Wars. Given their history as a persecuted minority, the Mormons there were more than accommodating.

[10] - Polypropylene tools are really, really important in the future, because in the one instance of artificial gravity -diamagnetism- metal objects go fucking mental from the constant electrical field. So plastics as strong as and nearly indistinguishable from steel tools are essential to all spaceships with diamagnetism as a feature. I may well do an entire update on this one thing.

[11] – Real big freight vessels that constantly accelerate to produce gravity, when at rest they can use diamagnetic fields to produce a similar sensation to gravity but it’s not altogether effective and only ever used in the crew quarters.

[12] – Still a gung-ho lot, but less about the ‘Democracy, guns and power’ and more about the ‘Industry, dignity and community’.
 
The changes in environment and subsequent cultural shifts are interesting. I kind of balked at the idea of a rainforest working it's way up the Mississippi until I realized the date of your setting and it's place in the wider universe you've created (which doesn't have a name? 2525?)
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
The changes in environment and subsequent cultural shifts are interesting. I kind of balked at the idea of a rainforest working it's way up the Mississippi until I realized the date of your setting and it's place in the wider universe you've created (which doesn't have a name? 2525?)

Yeah the world's a lot wetter and more humid than it used to be, and jungles and rainforests have worked their way into a lot of areas they weren't before, including northern Australia, more of southern India and the Ganges Basin, Uganda, South Sudan, north-east Angola and very recently -as in 2400s- parts of the Mediterranean have begun to sprout rainforests, especially on the Greek peninsular. It's actually been cooling as of recently in part due to the Stellar Depression afflicting human inhabited space, meaning there's less industry and traffic on the go.

I've been alternating between 2525 and 'The Concert of Planets'. I should really think of a better name, suggestions are more than welcome to that effect though be prepared for me to refuse most of them. I can't think of anything that sounds good.
 
Either sounds fine to me. I saw Concert of Planets and wasn't sure if that was just the title of the infographic or not.

Edit: Though, in retrospect, it looks like you used Sol - 2525 on that one. Now I'm just confusing myself.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
Forgive me lord for I have sinned; I have made an ISOT map.
Now for the record I have been beyond my home state, but I didn't feel my travels really warranted a map, being limited as they are. So I just did my home state. I decided not just to post a Worlda with naught but a few pixels coloured in right after the ISOT but to show the effects 250 years into the future.

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Tasmania reacted with shock, and then anger, and then some more shock, then someone made some Bushells tea and everyone calmed down, then there was more shock when they realised that as Bushells was based in Queensland all their teabags were now exceedingly rare and finite. Then the shock wore off and everyone realised that nothing much had changed in the grand scheme of things; save those Chinese and Melbournian expats who were right pissed and left in a flurry as fast as they could. They didn't really get all that far, Tasmanian shipping isn't made for transporting people aside the Spirit of Tasmania and that was in bloody Melbourne at the time of the Up Crick[1]. The former ended up in Sumatra, good on them for trying; the latter tried Melbourne but then when Hobart started granting land leases to Tasmanians around Port Philip they moved to Adelaide because they're just oh so alternative like that[2].
So people got on, some people thought it was the sign of the end times, others thought it was paradise, the state government nationalised a few bits and pieces to ensure everyone was accounted for but local produce largely covered what would have otherwise been imported. I was upset when the price of pomegranates juice went through the roof. Jokes about inbreeding became taboo because it was a very real possibility, only stymied but the government encouraging 'cultural exchange' out the wazoo between the predominantly white population and all the refugees and immigrants Tasmania had been accruing[3].
Eventually they fanned out, slowly egged on by an increasing population. First it was the east coast, than New Zealand, than Western Australia, then they moved into into Indonesia; I got some beautiful beachfront property in New Guinea. Was going to invest in Borneo before those grumpy monarchists moved in[4].

(Ohp, in actual fact there's tea; I'll finish this in a mome')

Continuing-oh and that was a good tea, proper meat pies and veg with a side of chips, really fits into this Tasmanian nationalism I'm cooking up. But I digress-, technology took a brief hit that set the state back to 1980s level of technology, especially regarding the internet. Good news is it meant that the population didn't peter out to nil because no one had anything else to do; bad news was I never got my essay on judicial controls finished[5]. But that was quickly sorted out in about a decade and the economy was spurred back into productivity for it; there wasn't anywhere to ship jobs anymore so industry and manufacturing made a comeback.

Eventually the PRS relaxed given that the whole 'state-run capitalism' thing was already thin before the Up Crick, can't say the same for the Melbournians who went a bit theologically nutty trying to recreate the Hellenic society Aristotle waffled on about so much. Those assholes who ruined my entrepreneurial ventures in Borneo collated into what they deemed 'The Kingdom of Australia'; at least that kicked a tourist industry of sorts into gear even if it was like watching budget North Korea[6].
Eventually the government ended their 'emergency regime' which wasn't really worth the name. People met, both from the 'colonies' and the state itself, to discuss the general path the state would take. And came up with the 'Commonwealth of Tasmania'; decentralised to save resources; a blanket ban was put on mass arms manufacturing, nuclear weapons, and Tasmania decreed and managed to persuade their new brothers that their fleets should not exceed two thirds the tonnage of the Tasmanian fleet (which had slowly been accumulating, for which St. Helens is still grateful). So things pottered along from there, and slowly but surely the population has grown and expanded out.
The largest city in the world is Hobart, with about 600'000 people. They're closely followed by Launceston with some 350'000. The closest thereafter is Shoudū with 90'000 and then New Melbourne with 70'000. The rest are spread across disparate, small towns, few exceeding a thousand though a few cities stand out.
Pottering along really, as Tasmania always has.

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[1] - 'Up Crick' is Tasmanian slang for 'up creek'. As in to go or live up creek, or in this case go up shit creek.

[2] - Yes I'm racist, but only against Melbournians. :p

[3] - True fact that, Tasmania has the 'Canada effect' whereby we're really removed from immigration and refugees and so people are very willing to accommodate and accept them into the community in the small numbers that they do arise.

[4] - The way Tasmania is going I feel if they got the chance all the conservatives here would rack right off in the same way all the liberals currently bleed out because Tasmania's too 'rural' and 'racist'.

[5] - In case you haven't figured it out, I am literally writing this as though it were an autobiography.

[6] - Perhaps an exaggeration, but I don't have Ian and co. to moderate me in the event of an ISOT. It's just me, Fred the Great, Cockroach and KineticBots. Speaking of, in the event of an ISOT I dibs admin :openedeyewink:.

Quick one I did for the ISOT bandwagon everyone's on.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
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New Baku has always been something of a frontier system, growing slower than it's neighbours and fellow members of the Arkān Crux and thus being a frictional and energetic place. It doesn't help that Marmoli and Bijeli chandlers push this idea to every tourist that departs at Bolognesi Station[1] and Vjetrovit City[2]. Ironically, it's far more peaceable and tame then some comparable systems as Ibeji, Waaq or Sol, given the utter dominance exuded by the Bijeli Balkansko, and most conflict goes on between pirates and Sinturono chasseurs[3].

~

[1] - Predominantly inhabited by the aforementioned Muerto Peruanos; or 'the Peruvian Dead', the diaspora of Peru that escaped to the stars after Brazil occupied and annexed their country. The station is named after an old military hero.
[2] - Which is built around the space elevator of the same name.
[3] - small, nimble cavalry that utilise synthetically manufactured 'Joka'; complex, semi-organic anaerobic steeds with inbuilt solar sails that glide around a given solar system hunting pirates or privateers or fighting for solar fleets. It's an idea I've had for ages and one that I will
expand upon.

~

The last of these maps was quite popular, and I just had this one lying around so I figured I'd post it. I'm not going to make a habit of posting nothing but these maps, but I thought people might like to see the wider system that Bijel inhabits.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
So uh, I made my first successful inkscape map. I'm gonna use it for the future TL I'm currently writing. I'll post it in the main map thread when it ticks over to a new page. There is one infuriating mistake on Flinders Island regarding that lake but I'm just gonna shut my eyes and scream until it goes away, oh and now that I mention it Whitemark's name is too fucking far out, uuugh. I can't figure out how to fix it, ah well. Guess the island's cursed; we did ship all those Aborigines there after all. I hope you like it.

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