How would these three PODs change the Franco-Prussian War?

I'm planning on writing a TL which includes an initial POD during the ACW that leads to the CSA gaining independence and the 2nd Mexican Empire remaining intact. Due to this I have been wondering what butterflies could effect the Franco-Prussian war. Also I plan on having the American ordinance engineer Benjamin B. Hotchkiss move to France as he did in OTL and have him invent his HotchkissRevolving Cannonbefore the Franco-Prussian war of TTL starts so that it can be used by the French.

Some say that an intact 2nd Mex Empire would butterfly away the war but others are not convinced so I'm going to go with that.

So if both countries existed by the Franco-Prussian war would they offer France troops and would France accept? Also if France did have access to a larger number of troops provided by the CSA and Mexico, as well as the Revolving Cannon in their artillary, how might the defence of France be different?
 
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And how could the CSA and Mexico provide any troups for France? They would have hard time keeping their own country in order.
 

mowque

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Butterflies wreck the whole thing, but does the CSA really have the ability to support large overseas troop movements?
 
And how could the CSA and Mexico provide any troups for France? They would have hard time keeping their own country in order.

Butterflies wreck the whole thing, but does the CSA really have the ability to support large overseas troop movements?
You tell me. I really want to know if its plausible for either country to send troops to France circa 1870-1871. And if so what number?
 
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Anaxagoras

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The outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War was so unlikely and absurd that something as significant as a Confederate victory in the American Civil War is likely to butterfly it away entirely. Perhaps a more successful intervention in Mexico, thanks to a Confederate victory that precludes United States intervention, makes Napoleon III feel more secure about his power and therefore doesn't give a damn who sits on the throne of Spain.

In any case, I see no realistic scenario in which Confederate troops are deployed outside the Western Hemisphere earlier than the 20th Century, if that.
 
The outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War was so unlikely and absurd that something as significant as a Confederate victory in the American Civil War is likely to butterfly it away entirely. Perhaps a more successful intervention in Mexico, thanks to a Confederate victory that precludes United States intervention, makes Napoleon III feel more secure about his power and therefore doesn't give a damn who sits on the throne of Spain.

In any case, I see no realistic scenario in which Confederate troops are deployed outside the Western Hemisphere earlier than the 20th Century, if that.
I've asked about that but others think France and Germany/Prussia are going to end up butting heads eventualy. Perhaps over their boarders and the Rhine?
 
Sigh, how does the CSA get 1) the free manpower, 2) the money to raise and equip these troops, and 3) why would either the Empire or the Republic accept troops from either?
 
Sigh, how does the CSA get 1) the free manpower, 2) the money to raise and equip these troops, and 3) why would either the Empire or the Republic accept troops from either?
Don't know. I figured that if both countries existed by the Franco-Prussian War France would be their ally (or at least friendly), especialy Mexico since its a French puppet as I understand, and offer troop support. Do you think they would or not? And if they did would France accept or not? And if France did acept how would the troops be sent overseas?
 
Or at the very least the odds are quite good that the Third Republic won't want a thing to do with the Confederacy.
Probably, but isn't an event like the FPW necessary to first create a French Thrid Republic by overthrowing Nap III? Also what could the relations between the 2nd Mexican Empire and the Frenhc Third Republic have been like?
 
If France intervened in the Austro-Prussian War in 1866, Prussia would likely have lost. The German Confederation would be intact, France might gain the Rhineland, and the Austrian Empire is never weakened. The War of 1870 would never happen.
 
So if both countries existed by the Franco-Prussian war would they offer France troops and would France accept? Also if France did have access to a larger number of troops provided by the CSA and Mexico, as well as the Revolving Cannon in their artillary, how might the defence of France be different?

In all honesty, the CSA would declare neutrality. They might be concerned about the situation in Mexico, but you'd also have a vengeful USA just waiting for an excuse to invade the CSA. Mexico will provide no troops for France because France will have a hard enough time keeping Mexico under the control of their puppet.
 
In all honesty, the CSA would declare neutrality. They might be concerned about the situation in Mexico, but you'd also have a vengeful USA just waiting for an excuse to invade the CSA. Mexico will provide no troops for France because France will have a hard enough time keeping Mexico under the control of their puppet.
Thank you for being the first one to provide a strait answer and not trying to answer my question witha question.

So what about the artillary?
 

Anderman

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If France intervened in the Austro-Prussian War in 1866, Prussia would likely have lost. The German Confederation would be intact, France might gain the Rhineland, and the Austrian Empire is never weakened. The War of 1870 would never happen.


Eh no, the purpose of the German Confederation was the defense of the confederation and its members. So you can´t restore the GF an give away parts of the confederation to a foreign power.
 
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