How would the Holocaust be remembered in a Nazi Victory TL?

There would be no holocaust.

There would be a Judenfrei Europe, but that would be because the Jews have been transported out of the Reich. The concentration camps were simply holding areas, designed to keep the Jews away from normal folk whilst their transport was being arranged, see? It wouldn’t be trumpeted, but it would be common knowledge that the Jews are gone and it would be “a good thing”. Zeitgeist would agree that removing the Jews was necessary because reasons and not much more thought than that would be given to it.

Abroad, in whatever nation that opposes the Nazis - if such a nation exists - there wouldn’t be much thought to it either, as more important issues would dominate the thinking of the nations. After all, OTL the Americans never worried about the Armenian Genocide when trying to woo Turkey in the Cold War did they?

Given that the OP is talking about a Fatherland-esque scenario, so a still powerful United States stands as a rival for Germany's global influence, I think the Holocaust will still be remembered. That said, it is questionable how much exposure it will get, even in the free world. While on paper the Holocaust is perfect anti-Nazi propaganda, I suspect the American leadership would be reluctant to rely on it too much because it rings a bit too close to the atrocity stories of the First World War. Plus the Allied response to the Holocaust was hardly exemplary, particularly around refugees. In contrast, I suspect Nazi Europe will be in full Holocaust denial mode with various measures being taken to justify it - "there weren't 6 million European Jews in the first place", "they were all recent immigrants from somewhere" etc plus the stuff the Nazis put out in OTL. I could also see the Holocaust being used as a means of discrediting American propaganda efforts. A newsreel I can imagine is somebody who looks Jewish or sufficiently left-wing is shown talking about the more outlandish elements (to someone who has not seen incontrovertible proof of said elements) of the Holocaust (like the ovens and the depraved medical experiments) while images of the result of Allied bombing and Soviet atrocities are inter-spaced. So in short the Holocaust would be remembered but would equally be reduced to a political football for at least as long as the Nazi regime lasts due to the Cold War.

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iirc the Nazis actually used how horrific the Holocaust was to their advantage--horror stories about how they treated Jews and others flooded out of the country along with all the untermensch refugees but hardly anyone believed them, thinking it was just exaggerations, and they only learn after the war that it really was that bad and then some. there's a reason the Nazis are the go-to bad guys for literally everything.

the other thing to keep in mind is that, if this is a Fatherland-type scenario, then it's entirely possible--and i'd say likely--that the Nazis would try to cover up the Holocaust until they were certain that they could get away with it for the rest of history and fundamentally be remembered as the good guys (as in total Axis victory worldwide, no one will ever be able to stand against them and it'll eventually just become a historical fact rather than the gold standard of crimes against humanity), whereas if it's essentially an America-Nazi Cold War then they have every reason to keep it secret, at least for the time being
 
Kaiser K TL about German victory in Europe was to have the truth of the Holocaust come out in the 1970s, and all hell breaks loose from that.
 

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Given that the OP is talking about a Fatherland-esque scenario, so a still powerful United States stands as a rival for Germany's global influence, I think the Holocaust will still be remembered. That said, it is questionable how much exposure it will get, even in the free world. While on paper the Holocaust is perfect anti-Nazi propaganda, I suspect the American leadership would be reluctant to rely on it too much because it rings a bit too close to the atrocity stories of the First World War. Plus the Allied response to the Holocaust was hardly exemplary, particularly around refugees. In contrast, I suspect Nazi Europe will be in full Holocaust denial mode with various measures being taken to justify it - "there weren't 6 million European Jews in the first place", "they were all recent immigrants from somewhere" etc plus the stuff the Nazis put out in OTL. I could also see the Holocaust being used as a means of discrediting American propaganda efforts. A newsreel I can imagine is somebody who looks Jewish or sufficiently left-wing is shown talking about the more outlandish elements (to someone who has not seen incontrovertible proof of said elements) of the Holocaust (like the ovens and the depraved medical experiments) while images of the result of Allied bombing and Soviet atrocities are inter-spaced. So in short the Holocaust would be remembered but would equally be reduced to a political football for at least as long as the Nazi regime lasts due to the Cold War.

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Have you read Fatherland? Fatherland where the holocaust “doesn’t exist”, the only talk of genocide is that of the massacres committed by the Soviets and America (led by the conservative, reactionary, anti-Semitic Joseph Kennedy) is that much of a ‘rival for Germany’s global influence’ that the President is on his way to Berlin for detente talks. Even the hero of the piece, Xavier March, isn’t sure the holocaust happened and uncovers scant evidence of its existence as the book goes along. There’s no chance of it being used as a political football, short of the American journalist getting the information out and causing a scandal, which the book leaves unclear as to whether it can happen.
 
This. The Holocaust would be a sidebar to the history books section covering the deaths of 20 to 40 million Slavs and other Eastern European peoples.

So given that I am in the process of writing my own story set in a world where the Nazi’s won in Europe and survive in a Fatherland-style Cold War, I decided to write such a sidebar:

Der Kalterkreig vignette “Minor Crimes”


-Taken from the sidebar “The Shoah” found on page 427 of New Scholastic’s Honors World History (pub. 1975), Chapter 29 “Generalplan Ost, Welthauptstadt Germania, and the Nazi vision of Neueuropa”. This textbook is intended for American high school juniors and seniors, as well as cadets at National Service Preparatory Academies. It is banned in all nations of the Munich Pact, save the Republic of Finland.


“The Shoah


One of the lesser known Crimes Against Humanity committed by the Greater German Reich is the genocide and forced expulsion of European Jews known as the “Shoah” (Hebrew for “Destruction”). It is less often called the “Holocaust”, and is only officially referred to in GDR government documents as part of the larger plan for a “Judenfrei” Europe. Between 1933 and 1950, millions of European Jews had their property confiscated and underwent forced migration to concentration camps (German, “KZ”) in Central and Eastern Europe.


The Levantine Aliyah Organization and the American Jewish Defense League estimate that between 6 and 8 million Jews died in KZ scattered across Germany, Bohemia, Poland, and Weissruthenia from starvation, disease, and being worked to death as slave labor. More controversial reports claim that many died in active extermination camps or were killed by SS execution squads during the German-Soviet War. A further 1.5 to 2 million Jews were forcibly expelled from Germany, most eventually settling in the United States, the Levant, and Cuba.


The Reich Office of Race and Settlement officially disputes these numbers. The official GDR stance is that there were less than 5 million European Jews prior to 1941, the majority of them living in former Soviet territory. Those in Western Europe underwent “emigration” and those in Eastern Europe died as a result of Soviet depredation and the unfortunate consequences of wartime disease and famine, the survivors emigrating or being forced across the Urals.


Compared with Generalplan Ost, the Shoah is a relatively minor crime of the many committed by the Greater German Reich. The Shoah is officially acknowledged by the governments of the United States, the British Commonwealth Nations, the Republic of the Levant, the State of Japan, and the Republic of Cuba. Much like acknowledgement of the genocides associated with Nazi actions in Eastern Europe, the GDR blocks any nation that officially recognizes the Shoah from any foreign economic or military aid and severely restricts their access to the European Economic Zone.


Other minor Crimes Against Humanity committed by the Greater German Reich include the genocide of the European Roma and the ongoing suppression and state-sanctioned violence against “social undesirables” (including homosexuals, the physically and mentally disabled, the mentally ill, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Anabaptists, and political liberals).”
 
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