How would Pope Adrian VII's regin be?

Ak-84

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Lets say when the last non-Italian pope before John Paul II, Adrian VI dies in 1523, he is replaced not by Clement VII, but by another non-Italian, Cardinal Wolsey.

Wolsey selects the name Adrian VII, in honour of his two predessesors, Adrian VI and Adrian IV, the only Englishman to have this post.

How would this change history. Perhaps their is no break with Rome, since he grants Henry VIII dispensation. And will he fight Luther more vigourously, perhaps by beginning to clear the Church's corruption.

And England which is firmly papist, perhaps Protestantism is restricted to Germany only. On the other hand, no Great Britaina and thus no United Kingdom, as there is no reconcilliation with Scotland, which in OTL happened due to the shared protestant faith. Or perhaps the link would be witgh Ireland, and England would support Mary Queen of Scots in Scotland, leading to Scotland being being what Ireland was in the OTL United Kingdom.


The most Catholic and United Kingdom of England, Ireland and Scotland.
 
I think that Holy Roman Emperor wouldnt liked that... Besides Clemens VII was HRE's choice along with Cardinal Farnese and he had the funds to buy his election... England couldnt bear the financial burden of buying a Papal election...
 

Ak-84

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Lets say, fillial ties with Catherine of Aragon, convince Charles V to support Wolsey.
 

Ak-84

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Indeed one of the reasons Wolsey cultivated the alliance with Charles V is to secure his ambition to become pope. Lets say his efforts succeed, where dose that lead.

here is what I think

i) No break with rome, he grants dispensation to divorce Catherine of Aragon, she did'nt care much for him anyway.

ii) In England historically he had a reformist attitude. He reinvented the equity courts his reform of the justice system was beneficial to he people mostly, he introduced a sort of a proto-income tax, based upon earnings and he did close down corrupt and decayed monsastrys.


Would he have been as engergetic as a pope in dealing with problems?
 
Indeed one of the reasons Wolsey cultivated the alliance with Charles V is to secure his ambition to become pope. Lets say his efforts succeed, where dose that lead.

here is what I think

i) No break with rome, he grants dispensation to divorce Catherine of Aragon, she did'nt care much for him anyway.

ii) In England historically he had a reformist attitude. He reinvented the equity courts his reform of the justice system was beneficial to he people mostly, he introduced a sort of a proto-income tax, based upon earnings and he did close down corrupt and decayed monsastrys.


Would he have been as engergetic as a pope in dealing with problems?

No break with Rome, yes, but I can't see for the life of me Wolsey allowing a divorce per se. Maybe an annulment of dubious legal basis, but not divorce, which would have had the HRE and many prominent Churchmen mad.

There would have been downsizing of monasteries, but nothing of the scale that Cranmer enacted. He may have had ideas for reform, but so did most churchmen, people as orthodox as Cajetan and Jimenez. Perhaps a more peaceful enactment of the OTL Counter-Reformation.
 

Ak-84

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No divorce but he still clears the way for Henry VIII to marry Ann Boleyn. No breal with Rome, could England remain Catholic? Historically there remained a significant though often small catholic presence even in uber-protestant England. Alexander Pope comes to mind, Catholics were dicriminated against badly, but in many places and times, were tolerated to an extent.

So if England remains Catholic, then perhaps instead of relations with Scotland improving beyond leading to a union of crowns and eventually Act of 1707, (of which the shared protestant fate was an important cause) it there is religious strife leading to warn in the island of Britain over in the 17th century as bitter though smaller in scale than the OTL affair in the continent.

No British Empire, no significant colonisation by the British of the Americas, possibly no Industrial revolution. England remains essentially homeward looking due to the Scottish threat.


Or could Ireland act as the Scotland in this timeline, due to the shared Catholic faith? Ulster remains a problem due to its affinity to the Scots; somethings never change.:D
 
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