How would Mittelafrika look like in a CP WWI victory scenario?

Anyways, how about Beglian Congo, French Congo, and a third of Tanganyika? Maybe throw in Portuguese Congo for the heck of it. I see the Junkeresque estates based upon coffee, rubber, and similar things. They might keep the regular subdivisions, while trying to replace French speaking notables with those willing to speak German.

Tanganyika's already German, unless you're implying they need to cede parts of it for gains elsewhere.

Uniting the Congos could be huge for economic development in that region.

Yeah, there's a lot of local colonial government to have to make to speak German in this case. A lot of people who might need to be replaced.
 
Tanganyika's already German, unless you're implying they need to cede parts of it for gains elsewhere.

Uniting the Congos could be huge for economic development in that region.

Yeah, there's a lot of local colonial government to have to make to speak German in this case. A lot of people who might need to be replaced.
They had von Lettow-Vorbeck moving around in the backcountry, but the rest of the land had been occupied by the British and Belgians. I suppose we really do need to think of date for the war to have ended. And yes, the British would want some gain from the war, so at least keeping land either inland or on the coast that allowed them a railroad might console them a bit.
 

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I think British colonies would require Germany to beat Britain at sea. Otherwise Britain's attitude would be: "Want our colonies? Why don't you come and get them then?"
 
I think come a tete-a-tete bargaining process between the Germans and the British, a division of Portuguese Africa and the Congo is the best that the Germans could hope for. Split the Portuguese possessions as agreed in the 1911-14 negotiations and agree to the British taking Katanga from the Congo, in exchange for the remainder of the colony.
I cant see Britain sacrificing Portugal without getting something really significant in return, and whilst Katanga is mineral rich its just not enough by itself
 

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I cant see Britain sacrificing Portugal without getting something really significant in return, and whilst Katanga is mineral rich its just not enough by itself

Britain had signed one treaty concerning the division of Portuguese colonies with Germany, and was in final negotiations concerning a second one when the war broke out. Of course, having a war may well put a damper on any further discussions of that nature.
 

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I cant see Britain sacrificing Portugal without getting something really significant in return, and whilst Katanga is mineral rich its just not enough by itself

Britain isn't sacrificing Portugal, Britain is dividing Portugal's moribund African empire. As far as I am aware, the treaty contained clauses on the compensation of Portugal for its colonial possessions.

In a realpolitik view, which is worth more to Britain - the goodwill of a powerful Germany, or continued alliance with feeble Portugal (a nation riven with fractional strife and only able to provide 60,000 troops to the cause)?
 

cpip

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Britain isn't sacrificing Portugal, Britain is dividing Portugal's moribund African empire. As far as I am aware, the treaty contained clauses on the compensation of Portugal for its colonial possessions.

In a realpolitik view, which is worth more to Britain - the goodwill of a powerful Germany, or continued alliance with feeble Portugal (a nation riven with fractional strife and only able to provide 60,000 troops to the cause)?

On the other hand, it may well be a shock of public outrage and angry Parliamentary denunciations if it comes out that Britain is selling Portugal down the river to the Hun after fighting a war with them. It may end up that the Portuguese colonies end up being divided later on -- in the later 1920s or somesuch -- rather than in the years immediately postwar.
 

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On the other hand, it may well be a shock of public outrage and angry Parliamentary denunciations if it comes out that Britain is selling Portugal down the river to the Hun after fighting a war with them. It may end up that the Portuguese colonies end up being divided later on -- in the later 1920s or somesuch -- rather than in the years immediately postwar.

The world will change in the years post-War where the CP win. Britain's striking of a deal such as this shows she's still at the top table and a Great Power. Once again, I don't envisage this to be taking colonies by force of arms in conjunction with pickelhauben-clad jackbooting Huns, rather a Treaty to relieve Portugal of her seriously mismanaged colonies in exchange for healthy recompense.
 
The world will change in the years post-War where the CP win. Britain's striking of a deal such as this shows she's still at the top table and a Great Power. Once again, I don't envisage this to be taking colonies by force of arms in conjunction with pickelhauben-clad jackbooting Huns, rather a Treaty to relieve Portugal of her seriously mismanaged colonies in exchange for healthy recompense.

Hmm whatever the weasel words it is taking colonies by force. It would not do much for Britain's image to stiff its oldest ally especially for so little. To completely ruin any faith in Britain's integrity or trustworthiness more is needed, especially as there would be some, probably quite a lot of opposistion,domestically however "unreasonable" concern for one's oldest ally in the world might be.
 
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