How would a United South America effect WW2?

I had a thought while looking at some maps for inspiration, and noticed that for the longest time, South America hasn't played a role in any major conflict or issue, due to the state in witch the countries are in. Since WW2 is a big war i know a little about, i thought i would take a swing at a WW2 theory. Specifically, what if South America united, and why? What country would take over? would they unite under on banner and act as states, much like the US, or would they create a whole new nation all together. First, i want to tackle why South America has had little intervention or cause in WW2 specifically. Well, mainly because there was no need too. I will be starting This timeline at 1930. I know it isn't exactly when WW2 started, but since they wouldn't have much of a need to join, especially around 1930, it will allow me to analyze how they would either join or be effected by WW2.



1930: For the first 20 odd years of the 20th centuries, most latin countries were experiencing a economic growth. The Latin countries in South and Central America were not compleatly effected by this at first. Besides the revolutions from the colonial age, such as mexico and a few others. Not much happens at this time, however the First World War did bring some concern to the recent free nations of Columbia and Ecuador, however not being directly effected, they did not bother with the wars. For the next 2 years Latin America is compleatly ineffective to the constant chaos outside of South America.

1933: The German Weimar Republic Chancellor Hindinburg and the brief leader Kurt Von Schleicher appointed Adolf Hitler as the leader of Germany due to civil unrest and growing support for the NSGWP. The not-so-long after death of Hindinburg allowed Adolf to Unite and merge the Council of Germany. Thru 2-3 years, he was able to compleatly reform the German Country, Declaring it as the Third Reich of the German Empire. It was not long before economic boosts in the South American Countries began to wear off. In this time line, the previous attempt to unite the South Americans in the late 18's had failed. However, with this new German empire, and with the recent events, most of the countries saw fit to work together, since there were still coastal colonies by Britain, France, and the Netherlands. The Alliance would be the following-


Name: New South Americas United
Reason: as a Basic first call in-case South America was invaded by Germany (and later added was the Axis Powers.)

Members-
- Argentina - started June 1933
- Chile - Joined June 1933
- Columbia - Joined July 1933
- Bolivia - Joined October 1933
- Venezuela - Joined November 1933
- Peru - Joined November 1933



December 19, 1933: The full alliance is officially United and recognized as a National Alliance.

May, 1935: France and the USSR sign a mutual friendship treaty. Germany is angered. The NSAU (New South Americas United) Begins small arms production, and all states within the NSAU begin military programs, as agreed in the Alliance pact. Brazil Establishes itself as a leader of the South American Continent. Brazil declines invitation to the NSAU. Nationalists established in Brazil as a party.


March 1936: Germany Militarizes the Rhineland. France demands instant reduction and Britain says its there territory. Nationalists gain popularity in Brazil and a coupe is held in the Capital. They find the coupe and take it down, but there economy is heavily damaged. Brazil has a depression. The NSAU does not provide support to Brazil, saying that they dont need to deal with Brazil's Government and economic Issues.


September 1-17, 1939: Germany and USSR make the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. They invade and split Poland in half. The Allies, Consisting of Britain, France, and the polish exile government declare war on The Germans and Russians. Brazil has a second Nationalist coupe, this time its successful. They begin hostile actions to the NSAU.

May, 1940: The invasion of the Netherlands, and other allies begin. They fall in 5 days, weeks later Belgium and surrounding states fall, an offensive of France is planned. Germany creates the Axis ( a bit late this timeline) and invites Nationalist Brazil. They accept. The Axis is now in South America. NSAU begin taking full militarization efforts and plan an offensive. The NSAU and the Allies join sides, Creating a temporary Faction called United Nations Against Nationalism.

1940 war effort- faction sides

--UNAN (united nations against nationalism)
Britain and the Commonwealth
France
ex-Poland
ex-Netherlands
ex-Belgium
Argentina
Venezuela
Chile
Columbia
Bolivia
Peru

--Axis
Japan
Italy
Spain
USSR
New Brazil (Nationalist Brazil)
South Africa -South Africa also has a coupe, it is successful- They join the axis


June, 1940: France is invaded by Germany and its allies, Paris falls. Vichy France is established as a sort of puppet by Germany, French resistance begins everywhere. Free France is established in Britain. They begin Resistance operations. Japan gets land by China. They invade the pacific islands near the mainland and invade New Zealand. They are attacked in New Zealand by Australia and Canada. The attack fails. They hold New Zealand.

August 1941: Italy begins invasions. They take over Ethiopia successfully. New Brazil invades the colonies and the NSAU begins invasions.

1943: Germany Turns on Italy, exiling them into South Africa. USSR begins another attempt into the Finish State, they make little headway.

1944: USSR focuses all troops into the Finish invasions. Germany begins Invasion into Russian Lands. They take the USSR by surprise. They surrender and become a puppet based in the lower Russian lands.

1945: Japan invades and kills China and the rest of the South Asia. They now own most of Asia and some of the Pacific. The British Raj collapses and Free Nationalist India is established. They join the Axis. South Africa invades all surrounding allies and wins. Free Brazil is pushed back to Brazilia, Sao paul, and the coast up north. USAN member Chile leaves and becomes Nationalist from a coupe. They are easily annexed and the push continues east into Free Brazil.

1946: Japan declares war on America, America successfully repels the attack of pearl harbor. They chase down and sink the Musashi and Yamato, as well as the carriers. Japan retreats and peace out with america. They invade Australia and win. Germany begins naval invasions of the British Isles. they are unsuccessful, however the US is called into war. South Africa invades and kills African Italy, and declare there leaving the axis.

1950: Free Brazil is finally killed, mexico invades, they annex him, and Columbia takes all the land.


1953: Germany and Britain Peace out. The war is over, however the Axis have been declared victor. The Axis now have a firm grip in the world, and the economic and trade systems as well. The Axis and Allies are disbanded, NSAU disbands.

1960: The United States and Canada Unite, Creating the United North American Union. Columbia Unites Northern South America, creating the Columbia Union of South America. South Africa collapses, all previous states reform to there original borders, South Africa returns to its original state.

1963: Germany invades turkey, the battle lasts 8 months until turkey pushes him out. Germany and Turkey Peace out. Germany pays 800M in payment. Stock market crashes due to Germany printing money for the war dept, causing inflation. Hundreds of nations fall into economic disaster.

1978: The economic crises ends, however the Euro continent never recovers. Britain becomes a isolated country, and Germany is in complete disarray. The American States recover, However Columbia being the biggest, they eat all remaining South American Nations, Creating New Columbian Empire. They lead the South for a while, until a failed experiment by the US attempting to create a passage Of the Atlantic to the Pacific floods the Gulf of Mexico, causing severe amounts of casualties.


2000: The world not truly ever recovering from the world war and 2nd great depression,New Columbian Empire takes the title as number one. Nuclear power is discovered, however the atom bomb is never invented. The tech then progresses as it did in our timeline, however the war put the world several years back in terms of development and advanced science.





In short, the world is compleatly different. China and several other superpowers are defeated by a unchecked Germany. Fascism Rains supreme for about 10-20 years, just to collapse and send the world plummeting to a new type of hell. Since in this timeline, the Euro Continent is in complete destruction, and the North American Countries didn't really do much in terms of trying to recover from the first depression, that left Asia and South America to hold control. With Asia dominated by a hermit Japan, that left South America to run the Stock Market. However, the amount of mass currency caused such a inflation that it compleatly crashed the market. This left a distraught United North america, and a Recovering South America. With South America compleatly dominated by New Columbian Empire, They were the last surviving nation that was able to sustain itself after the war. The effect on the war, the history, and the world itself of a concerned and alternate South America is intense.

NOTE: i had to bend the rules a little. despite Brazil actually having Fascist and nationalist parties for a brief time, it had no effect, hence South America not being directly involved with WW2 to an extent. I am aware that a bunch of this is inaccurate but i read what i could. Most of this is fiction. The tech would stay basically the same, however space exploration, science and tech as a whole lost its steam after the war. i didn't talk about the political and Religious side of this theory for obvious reasons, so if requested enough i will make posts explaining my thoughts and reasons behind why the outcome is the way it is. Despite the theory being about how a united South america would effect WW2, South America was only an indirect cause and effect of this alternate WW2. If you spot something that seems to out of place or along the lines of that point it out, il review it and make it more believable if i can. This is my first time ever making an alternate history theory this convoluted and complex. I will work on fleshing this out more and do more research on my spare time to get a good idea on what i did wrong and right. Other than that, tell me what you think and all that. Thanks for the feedback!
 
Name: New South Americas United
Reason: as a Basic first call in-case South America was invaded by Germany (and later added was the Axis Powers.)

South American nations have way too many internal disputes with each other to unite over something as measly as Germany. Besides, it isn't like Britain or the United States would actually let the Germans invade and everyone in South America knows that. It's also borderline hopeless to invade a country on the other side of the ocean, especially when the Germans had zero chance to invade that one country on the other side of the English Channel.

May, 1940: The invasion of the Netherlands, and other allies begin. They fall in 5 days, weeks later Belgium and surrounding states fall, an offensive of France is planned. Germany creates the Axis ( a bit late this timeline) and invites Nationalist Brazil. They accept. The Axis is now in South America. NSAU begin taking full militarization efforts and plan an offensive. The NSAU and the Allies join sides, Creating a temporary Faction called United Nations Against Nationalism.

Brazil has no need to actively join the war since it doesn't affect them and it risks angering Britain and the United States.

--UNAN (united nations against nationalism)
Britain and the Commonwealth
France
ex-Poland
ex-Netherlands
ex-Belgium
Argentina
Venezuela
Chile
Columbia
Bolivia
Peru

--Axis
Japan
Italy
Spain
USSR
New Brazil (Nationalist Brazil)
South Africa -South Africa also has a coupe, it is successful- They join the axis

Against nationalism? Aside from communists and many socialists, how many people in Poland, France, or Britain would ever say "we're in this war to fight against nationalism"?

June, 1940: France is invaded by Germany and its allies, Paris falls. Vichy France is established as a sort of puppet by Germany, French resistance begins everywhere. Free France is established in Britain. They begin Resistance operations. Japan gets land by China. They invade the pacific islands near the mainland and invade New Zealand. They are attacked in New Zealand by Australia and Canada. The attack fails. They hold New Zealand.

Japan's goal was China and Southeast Asia, New Zealand has no bearing on the war and has basically nothing Japan needs, and puts them on the end of a very lengthy supply chain that will be mercilessly attacked by the Australian, NZ, and British air forces and navies. Japan does not have the naval assets to successfully protect their ships, nor do they have the shipping given the small size of their merchant fleet.

1943: Germany Turns on Italy, exiling them into South Africa. USSR begins another attempt into the Finish State, they make little headway.

And the purpose of this is...? As bad as Italy could be, Italy is a hell of a lot more useful than Spain, which has every issue Italy times a thousand and is a smoldering wreck after the Spanish Civil War which would be fighting round two of the Spanish Civil War.

And USSR would utterly smash Finland long ago, since they barely made it through the Winter War as it was and only achieved relative success in the Continuation War since the Germans had the vast majority of the Soviet forces occupied.

1944: USSR focuses all troops into the Finish invasions. Germany begins Invasion into Russian Lands. They take the USSR by surprise. They surrender and become a puppet based in the lower Russian lands.

I guess it makes sense the USSR goes down so easy if the Soviet Union takes four years to beat Finland even though just the Soviet military deaths in WWII alone is about 2.5 times more than the entire Finnish population.

1945: Japan invades and kills China and the rest of the South Asia. They now own most of Asia and some of the Pacific. The British Raj collapses and Free Nationalist India is established. They join the Axis. South Africa invades all surrounding allies and wins. Free Brazil is pushed back to Brazilia, Sao paul, and the coast up north. USAN member Chile leaves and becomes Nationalist from a coupe. They are easily annexed and the push continues east into Free Brazil.

South African military was tiny since the majority of South Africans were banned from serving due to their race. Therefore, South Africa doesn't possibly have the forces necessary to do much.

How might Japan possibly have the logistics to push all the way through Southeast Asia into India when they will have trouble resupplying by sea or air due to British interference and on land have to go through jungles, swamps, and mountains?

1946: Japan declares war on America, America successfully repels the attack of pearl harbor. They chase down and sink the Musashi and Yamato, as well as the carriers. Japan retreats and peace out with america. They invade Australia and win. Germany begins naval invasions of the British Isles. they are unsuccessful, however the US is called into war. South Africa invades and kills African Italy, and declare there leaving the axis.

The US would never just sit back until 1946 and let all of this happen, they'd be at least highly concerned about Latin America and someone would do something stupid that would drag the US into the war long before then. And doing something like Pearl Harbor = Japan is getting pushed back to their islands period. And invading Australia might be even more impossible than invading New Zealand.

1950: Free Brazil is finally killed, mexico invades, they annex him, and Columbia takes all the land.

Why does nothing happen between 1946 and 1950, and why are nations randomly annexing each other when they have no need to?

1953: Germany and Britain Peace out. The war is over, however the Axis have been declared victor. The Axis now have a firm grip in the world, and the economic and trade systems as well. The Axis and Allies are disbanded, NSAU disbands.

Why does it take another three years for an actual peace? Why does the US not do anything even though they have the world's largest economy by far, even with German conquests in Eastern Europe (partisan ridden hellhole full of little economic activity but extermination by slave labour and death camps).


1963: Germany invades turkey, the battle lasts 8 months until turkey pushes him out. Germany and Turkey Peace out. Germany pays 800M in payment. Stock market crashes due to Germany printing money for the war dept, causing inflation. Hundreds of nations fall into economic disaster.

Why does Germany just randomly start a war with Turkey?

1978: The economic crises ends, however the Euro continent never recovers. Britain becomes a isolated country, and Germany is in complete disarray. The American States recover, However Columbia being the biggest, they eat all remaining South American Nations, Creating New Columbian Empire. They lead the South for a while, until a failed experiment by the US attempting to create a passage Of the Atlantic to the Pacific floods the Gulf of Mexico, causing severe amounts of casualties.

Flooding the Gulf of Mexico? WTF? Also, there's already passages from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and like hell would the United States let them fall into some tinpot South American dictator's hands, especially if it's a tinpot dictator of a major country and not some tiny economic vassal of the US like Panama. And even then, it would be massively controversial, look what happened when the US handed the Panama Canal Zone back to Panama. You can also build a canal basically anywhere in Central America from the Gulf of Tehantepac to the Rio Atrato in Colombia.

Why would Europe never recover if the economic crisis ends? That doesn't make sense.

2000: The world not truly ever recovering from the world war and 2nd great depression,New Columbian Empire takes the title as number one. Nuclear power is discovered, however the atom bomb is never invented. The tech then progresses as it did in our timeline, however the war put the world several years back in terms of development and advanced science.

So in a war which lasts 14 years starting when the world is on the cusp of atomic weaponry which every side's physicists know will be a gamechanging weapon to win the war, no one makes the bomb, and no one makes nuclear power for another 50 years later. What?

Still no way some "New Columbian Empire" would ever top the United States or Germany (with Eastern Conquests) by 2000, or Japan and her own conquests, or even the British Empire. The economy is much smaller, the resources more limited, the infrastructure terrible and needing to be mostly built from scratch to get to good standards, and worst of all, it needs to toe a fine line with the United States lest it face severe internal issues. It isn't like the United States ever backed coups or supported rebels and other guerilla fighters in countries it had a problem with, after all.

In short, the world is compleatly different. China and several other superpowers are defeated by a unchecked Germany. Fascism Rains supreme for about 10-20 years, just to collapse and send the world plummeting to a new type of hell. Since in this timeline, the Euro Continent is in complete destruction, and the North American Countries didn't really do much in terms of trying to recover from the first depression, that left Asia and South America to hold control. With Asia dominated by a hermit Japan, that left South America to run the Stock Market. However, the amount of mass currency caused such a inflation that it compleatly crashed the market. This left a distraught United North america, and a Recovering South America. With South America compleatly dominated by New Columbian Empire, They were the last surviving nation that was able to sustain itself after the war. The effect on the war, the history, and the world itself of a concerned and alternate South America is intense.

It doesn't make sense. Why would fascism collapse at that point? Once it's killed the majority of people who can resist, and with it's totalitarian grasp, the vast majority of people wouldn't try to fight the system. They'd rebuild Europe too before long in their own image. And if the United States and UK aren't trying to collapse the system from outside Cold War-style, why would it collapse? It doesn't make sense.
 
Hmm. The USA has since well before 1900 had a fairly clear policy that the Western Hemisphere consists of:
  1. The USA (F*** YEAH!)
  2. Various minor nations with silly names which are graciously allowed to do things that do not threaten the interests of the USA
Any sign of a continent-spanning military alliance developing immediately south of their banana-growing colonies is going to draw a pretty vigorous reaction from Washington. Far more so than the “Europeans at war again, must be a Tuesday” stuff from the other side of the Atlantic.
 
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