How would a Anglo german american alliance work out

Let's say a Anglo german american alliance works out how would it fuction in former affairs and would any other countries join or be included
 
Very well but why?

Presumably from this being in Pre -1900 Discussion this would be a late nineteenth century alliance, formed say 1880-1900

It would bring together the three potentially strongest economies (and ultimately militaries) in the world.

Impact?

Depends on policies they espouse and can enforce on the world

Pax Anglo-Germano-sphere for one?

free Trade? Ah, British obsession but not US or German. Maybe some form of WTO to limit tariffs though.

Free capital flows, yes and the gold standard. No change really from ideals

Managed colonialism, stitch ups at things like the 1885 conference on Africa

Would France and Russia try to kick against this and could they?

The snag is, how do you combine the three?

The US is hostile to foreign entanglements so I really can't see it being more than a benevolent silent partner.

An Anglo-German alliance seems so logical in 1875-1890 but simply didn't happen. :confused:

I would like to do a TL in which this occurred but I fear the US might be on the Franco-Russian side in the ITTL WW1. Or just as likely uninvolved.
:D
 
Presumably from this being in Pre -1900 Discussion this would be a late nineteenth century alliance, formed say 1880-1900

It would bring together the three potentially strongest economies (and ultimately militaries) in the world.

Impact?

Depends on policies they espouse and can enforce on the world

Pax Anglo-Germano-sphere for one?

free Trade? Ah, British obsession but not US or German. Maybe some form of WTO to limit tariffs though.

Free capital flows, yes and the gold standard. No change really from ideals

Managed colonialism, stitch ups at things like the 1885 conference on Africa

Would France and Russia try to kick against this and could they?

The snag is, how do you combine the three?

The US is hostile to foreign entanglements so I really can't see it being more than a benevolent silent partner.

An Anglo-German alliance seems so logical in 1875-1890 but simply didn't happen. :confused:

I would like to do a TL in which this occurred but I fear the US might be on the Franco-Russian side in the ITTL WW1. Or just as likely uninvolved.
:D
I was thinking France intervenes in the Spanish american war and the us never gains the phillipines the us looking for allies against foregin enemies looks to join the brittish german alliance
 

RousseauX

Donor
Anglo-German alliance quite possibly makes the least sense out of all possible alliances in the early 1900s.
 
Anglo-German alliance quite possibly makes the least sense out of all possible alliances in the early 1900s.

Why?

Has quite the powerful German army- British navy combination. The main thing is that most people on this site usually go for is removing Willy II and keeping his daddy alive to foster relations.
 

RousseauX

Donor
Has quite the powerful German army- British navy combination.

That does nothing for Britain because it has naval superiority anyway without Germany.

The German High Seas Fleet also ONLY has enough range to fight in the North Sea, which means that, for all practical purposes, it's only going to fight the Royal Navy. In this sense, a German navy is always going to be a competitor rather than potential ally for the UK.
 
That does nothing for Britain because it has naval superiority anyway without Germany.

The German High Seas Fleet also ONLY has enough range to fight in the North Sea, which means that, for all practical purposes, it's only going to fight the Royal Navy. In this sense, a German navy is always going to be a competitor rather than potential ally for the UK.

It also can fight off any French attempts to blockade the German Bight or Russian attempts to leave the Baltic, which might be handy.

In fact, at least the nominal range (i.e. sufficient to fight a battle, not to maintain a blockade) should suffice for the whole French Atlantic coastline.
 
Respectfully disagree

Anglo-German alliance quite possibly makes the least sense out of all possible alliances in the early 1900s.
I see your POV, which is bolstered by the fact that IOTL there was no Anglo-German Alliance.

But I disagree that they have nothing to offer each other.

Britain's problem was Russian threat to India and France's presence in Africa etc. An imperial issue

Germany faced French revanchism and the possibility of another continental war to reverse the result of 1870-1.

Neither could threaten the other, before the High Seas Fleet impasse anyway.

But a Britain allied to Germany would render France impotent while German pressure on Russia hinders the latter's colonial adventures. Or at least is a threat if it comes to war with Britain.

Britain found it simpler to come to terms with France and Russia on imperial boundaries. However, the secret (?) price was that it was pretty much committed to take their side in any European war. Which proved disastrous in the long run for its ability to maintain the Empire.

Mistake, don't you think? ;)
 

Kingpoleon

Banned
An Anglo-German or Amero-German alliance is quite likely. Germany is the foremost power and can influence literally any country one-on-one. Both America and Britain, however, wish for a "balance of power" at the time, thus their unwillingness for a triple alliance. Perhaps an Amero-German alliance beats Britain in a war and makes it a puppet? Other than that, it's rather unlikely.
 
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