How to realistically strengthen Huey Long as seen in kaiserreich?

And yet so many people label Huey Long as a Socialist and or a Communist. any reason why?
Is an american meme that any sort of State interventionism in favor of the common people, smaller bussiness or the workers/poor makes you Stalin Hitler but interventionism in favor of big bussiness is "good policies" and "puting the economy back on track". Doesn't really matter that just giving rich people a lot of money doesn't help if you keep screwing the buying power of common folk.
 
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Wasn't also another disadvantage Huey had (compared FDR) his anti unionism? In welfare states trade unionism was really important to get bussinessmen to accept state mediation on disputes and welfare. FDR allied with trade unions but Long dispised them.
 
And yet so many people label Huey Long as a Socialist and or a Communist. any reason why?

Well, it is...

Is an american meme that any sort of State interventionism in favor of the common people, smaller bussiness or the workers/poor makes you Stalin Hitler but interventionism in favor of big bussiness is "good policies" and "puting the economy back on track". Doesn't really matter that just giving rich people a lot of money doesn't help if you keep screwing the buying power of common folk.


^^ Yeah, because of that. It is a american thing that got exported in cancerous ways to brazil. I for example suffer from stones on my right kidney, I had a crisis and the pain was so unbearable that it semmed that I would die, but they injected me two doses of a huge analgesic called "Tramal", I left the hospital on the same day without paying a cent. On the following day I made a post congratulating the hospital since as bad it is the health system, at least is exists different from the USA, just to see a bunch of americanophile trolls swarming claiming that the healthcare should be privatized because "Muh socialism" and "in america is private so it should be here too". Now let me expand the rant: The brazilian right is so damn americanophile that there is a 1892 book called "the american illusion", as the first republic was so american inclined that this was the brazilian republican flag, and as the book retraces the US influence in brazil they note that the brazilian right tried to sustain slavery until the 1860s based on the fact that the US had slavery, right wing liberals repeated the SAME argument as in the south of the USA that the state shouldn't interfere on proprierty, and pushed that since the US had slavery, we should have too.
*End of rant, returning to normal programation*

Is it just me or Long bears a striking resemblance to Brazil's contemporaneous strongman populist Getúlio Vargas?

Long in KR is almost a copy of Vargas, even the KR tvtropes notices that:
"Allohistorical Allusion: Long if he is triumphant is in a way similar to Getulio Vargas. Being an authoritarian populist who has allied himself with far-right elements against socialists and moderates in a multilateral power struggle for control of their country. Like Vargas Long will purge the far-right as soon as their mutual enemy is defeated."

In OTL the few people in brazil that knew Long considered him the american Vargas.
 
Well, it is...




^^ Yeah, because of that. It is a american thing that got exported in cancerous ways to brazil. I for example suffer from stones on my right kidney, I had a crisis and the pain was so unbearable that it semmed that I would die, but they injected me two doses of a huge analgesic called "Tramal", I left the hospital on the same day without paying a cent. On the following day I made a post congratulating the hospital since as bad it is the health system, at least is exists different from the USA, just to see a bunch of americanophile trolls swarming claiming that the healthcare should be privatized because "Muh socialism" and "in america is private so it should be here too". Now let me expand the rant: The brazilian right is so damn americanophile that there is a 1892 book called "the american illusion", as the first republic was so american inclined that this was the brazilian republican flag, and as the book retraces the US influence in brazil they note that the brazilian right tried to sustain slavery until the 1860s based on the fact that the US had slavery, right wing liberals repeated the SAME argument as in the south of the USA that the state shouldn't interfere on proprierty, and pushed that since the US had slavery, we should have too.
*End of rant, returning to normal programation*



Long in KR is almost a copy of Vargas, even the KR tvtropes notices that:
"Allohistorical Allusion: Long if he is triumphant is in a way similar to Getulio Vargas. Being an authoritarian populist who has allied himself with far-right elements against socialists and moderates in a multilateral power struggle for control of their country. Like Vargas Long will purge the far-right as soon as their mutual enemy is defeated."

In OTL the few people in brazil that knew Long considered him the american Vargas.
Keep in mind that Vargas has two different political periods, dictatorial and democratic. In the democratic one he changed some of his policies and allied with trade unions. Long died anti trade unions and I suspect less capable of winning elections fairly in comparition. If Long wants to win more he needs to change some things.
 
Keep in mind that Vargas has two different political periods, dictatorial and democratic. In the democratic one he changed some of his policies and allied with trade unions. Long died anti trade unions and I suspect less capable of winning elections fairly in comparition. If Long wants to win more he needs to change some things.

Long was a crook, sadly. He was a good intentioned corrupt politician, so he could mimic to be supportive of the unions and then pushes them under the carpet. A different and less bleak thing that can happen however, is that by considering the possibility that his problems were not the unions per se, but their left wing affiliations, is that him emulates Vargas and begins to pass a series of laws and decrees supporting worker's rights, thus moving the unions away from the far left and closer to the center, peacefully mobilizing the unions to his side.
 

I know that we all like him, but a point of being pragmatic and respecting someone and some ideology is to follow the good sides of it and criticiezes the bad of it! Long was progressive, Long fought segregation, Long really, really cared about the poor, but he also cared about his pocket. He made electoral frauds and he run with his militia harassing the opponents, this should be said because if he ignore his bad sides we are being indocrinated.
 
Is an american meme that any sort of State interventionism in favor of the common people, smaller bussiness or the workers/poor makes you Stalin Hitler but interventionism in favor of big bussiness is "good policies" and "puting the economy back on track". Doesn't really matter that just giving rich people a lot of money doesn't help if you keep screwing the buying power of common folk.
The biggest obstacle to the USA becoming a developed nation is the culture of "hard work", "meritocracy", "self-reliance" that prevents basics like say a first world healthcare system, halfway decent public transportation, an economy that has sectors besides the finance sector and midwestern corn. It's not "racism" blocking this and never was. It's the culture of "meritocracy" for proof notice the lack of any real successful economic "left"/populist moves post-1965.

Anyways FDR dying, Long being elected in 1936 or 1940 could see a US in a more social democratic direction economically. You probably see messed up geopolitics without the anglophile FDR. Then again who knows, maybe without anglophile leadership in the US to reassure them the british/french stand up to Germany earlier and WWII may be avoided. Or you get a no-US WW2, aka one with the red army in lisbon and Stalin entering london in greater splendor than Czar Alexander did versailles.
 
He really did have a national reputation, but you're right in thinking his Kaiserreich appearance is inaccurate. He doesn't really fit into the alt-fascist mold they're going for. (Though come to think of it I've never actually played his faction, I'm only assuming they're making the Union State be the fashy ones...am I wrong?)

But anyway he really was less obscure than you think. People knew him. He had millions of admirers. (I wouldn't call them "followers.") So given a TL where he survives and catches some breaks, he could've been a real force among the Democrats and maybe become president.

As for what it would take for a person to stage a revolution in the US...well that seems like it needs a lot of runway for it to take off. Let's just say that in any situation where things are bad enough for revolution to be on the table, Long could easily be the kind of person to lead it.

This. People tend to seriously underestimate how difficult a second American civil war is. States have imertia- countries which tend to be vulnerable to civil wars tend to be the sorts that are unstable, and not resilient enough to withstand crises like the great depression. The US is an extremely stable system, too stable IMO.

You'd need a worse great depression, to avoid any FDR equivalent, yes, but more than that you need to erode public faith in the electoral process, which is not something done easily or overnight... that being said Huey Long is an excellent candidate for being an American Caesar, if the ground is fertile enough for such a thing to happen. But such a thing requires more than a few deaths or butterflies IMO. It requires sustained chaos and political violence, and the widespread belief that peaceful reform is simply impossible. Think of the Roman republic and how it took generations to get from the Gracchi to Marius to Sulla to Caesar.
 
This. People tend to seriously underestimate how difficult a second American civil war is. States have imertia- countries which tend to be vulnerable to civil wars tend to be the sorts that are unstable, and not resilient enough to withstand crises like the great depression. The US is an extremely stable system, too stable IMO.

You'd need a worse great depression, to avoid any FDR equivalent, yes, but more than that you need to erode public faith in the electoral process, which is not something done easily or overnight... that being said Huey Long is an excellent candidate for being an American Caesar, if the ground is fertile enough for such a thing to happen. But such a thing requires more than a few deaths or butterflies IMO. It requires sustained chaos and political violence, and the widespread belief that peaceful reform is simply impossible. Think of the Roman republic and how it took generations to get from the Gracchi to Marius to Sulla to Caesar.

Or...
...He can somehow survive the bomb that is going to be the scandals throw at him in the 1936 primaries and get elected. He's younger than FDR, so he might get be elected over and over again until the 1950s and retire, getting to be known as some kind of "father of the nation" figure like Ataturk in Turkey.
 
As I once posted here:

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Since Huey Long is so often mentioned in connection with American fascism, it might be worthwhile to quote the judgment of James Weinstein: "Of all the 1930s radical politicians, Louisiana Governor Huey Pierce Long Jr. was by far the most successful. A charismatic figure, he is often mistakenly remembered as the first American dictator or the first great native fascist. As his biographer T. Harry Williams wrote, Long was in fact a uniquely democratic politician who had nothing in common with the dictators except their popularity. As a consistent champion of working people and an implacable enemy of the corporate monopolies and Eastern banks, he commanded one of the largest mass followings in the country. " https://books.google.com/books?id=pYHeUBZzCDYC&pg=PT105
 
As I once posted here:

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Since Huey Long is so often mentioned in connection with American fascism, it might be worthwhile to quote the judgment of James Weinstein: "Of all the 1930s radical politicians, Louisiana Governor Huey Pierce Long Jr. was by far the most successful. A charismatic figure, he is often mistakenly remembered as the first American dictator or the first great native fascist. As his biographer T. Harry Williams wrote, Long was in fact a uniquely democratic politician who had nothing in common with the dictators except their popularity. As a consistent champion of working people and an implacable enemy of the corporate monopolies and Eastern banks, he commanded one of the largest mass followings in the country. " https://books.google.com/books?id=pYHeUBZzCDYC&pg=PT105

TBH I always saw him as a Caesar or a Napoleon more than a Hitler or Mussolini- a demagogue opposed to an existing oligarchy and seeking to become a tyrant/dictator, rather than a man backed by oligarchs using a mass movement to his advantage.
 
Hope we can agree that "Long as American Hitler/Mussolini" is a tired trope not supported by the views of the man himself, who was not in any meaningful way a racist or antisemite. His worst sin in this regard is failing to directly take on Jim Crow, and yet he still did more for his black constituents than probably any other post-Reconstruction Southern politician, and considered them just as entitled to a redistribution of wealth as poor whites.
 
He really did have a national reputation, but you're right in thinking his Kaiserreich appearance is inaccurate. He doesn't really fit into the alt-fascist mold they're going for. (Though come to think of it I've never actually played his faction, I'm only assuming they're making the Union State be the fashy ones...am I wrong?)

But anyway he really was less obscure than you think. People knew him. He had millions of admirers. (I wouldn't call them "followers.") So given a TL where he survives and catches some breaks, he could've been a real force among the Democrats and maybe become president.

As for what it would take for a person to stage a revolution in the US...well that seems like it needs a lot of runway for it to take off. Let's just say that in any situation where things are bad enough for revolution to be on the table, Long could easily be the kind of person to lead it.
There is an opportunity to take the Union State down that path with Pelley.

The Long Path is more of an agararian-populist, social democratic path. It combines the state investment and nationalization ideas of the CSA faction under Reed and the renewed focus on patriotism of the USA faction under Mac.
 

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A “Long New Deal”, a resultant “counter-coup” lead by someone reactionary (MacArthur fronting for Big Money maybe) followed by a Long counter-counter-coup is the best bet for a Long Dictatorship, IMO. The resultant fighting during the various coups could later be referred to as the Second Civil War
 
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