How to make everything go to hell after 1860-something?

Okay, so I had an idea. Probably a bad idea, but still an idea. It's a timeline where everything starts going to hell around the mid-late 1860s, and we see massive-scale nationalist, anarchist, and socialist revolts of all different varieties almost worldwide by the early 20th century.

Got any advice on how to make this happen?
 
Read Stirling book about meteor hitting earth. That do the trick.

Well, that'll certainly cause everything to go to hell, but I want it to do so in a less, well, apocalyptic way. Like, so there'll be massive insurrections of various types all over the world...
 

BlondieBC

Banned
Okay, so I had an idea. Probably a bad idea, but still an idea. It's a timeline where everything starts going to hell around the mid-late 1860s, and we see massive-scale nationalist, anarchist, and socialist revolts of all different varieties almost worldwide by the early 20th century.

Got any advice on how to make this happen?

In the 1860s you have an American Civil War. You have a Chinese Civil War. You have Austrian Prussian War. So just have these wars end up as one big global war like the Napoleonic Wars. Lots of PODs here, but maybe something like have England get into the American Civil War, but not decisively. War drags on. Prussians see opportunity to deal with Austria, but not decisive. France is making moves in China cause England is distracted. Russia sees opportunity to do something. Pretty soon we have a balance on each side and enough depth of land that no one can win quick. Say USA, French and Prussians versus CSA, England, Russia. Move Spain, Ottomans, Austrians, Italians on whichever side keeps it going. Japan is opportunistic. Maybe have some pause like Napoleonic Wars.

Anyway, I think you clearly see nationalism flair. I think some ethnic cleansing is a given. Drag it on long enough, and you could start to see revolts. Easy to see China breaking into a War Lord era as different groups are supported by different powers. UK control weakens over India, but we don't see united India but various states try to reform. Easy to see USA/CSA setting up for rematch where UK will not come in. Austria has know Slavic issues.
 

Lusitania

Donor
Well, that'll certainly cause everything to go to hell, but I want it to do so in a less, well, apocalyptic way. Like, so there'll be massive insurrections of various types all over the world...
That unfortunately would be pretty ASB since we dealing with different types of cultures, religions and ethnic groups. Something that affects Europe would not necessarily affect China or India.

So unless you have world wide Spanish flu that kills 1/3 to 1/5 population and spreads worldwide.
 

Lusitania

Donor
War was Worldwide during the Napoleonic era and during the 18th century with fighting in North and South American, India, Africa, and Indonesia
Yes but no war was to point that world fell apart. The US suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties during civil war same with Napoleonic Wars in Europe and both places continued fine.

You said you wanted catastrophic calamity that caused all world order to collapse.
 
Napoleonic Wars in Europe
US went to war with Britain in 1812 over British imprisonment of American Sailors.

hundreds of thousands of casualties during civil war
There was the possibility that Britain and/or France would get involved in the American civil war

You said you wanted catastrophic calamity that caused all world order to collapse.
Entire world no but you can get scenario where large parts of the world are tangled up in conflict .
 

Lusitania

Donor
US went to war with Britain in 1812 over British imprisonment of American Sailors.


There was the possibility that Britain and/or France would get involved in the American civil war


Entire world no but you can get scenario where large parts of the world are tangled up in conflict .


But the British and french and for that matter Russians or Americans not going to fight to point of country collapsing. Even the Napoleonic Wars were not fought that way. Countries fought and if their armies were defeated they signed a peace treaty. Maybe fight again in few years.

American civil war same the south armies lost and south surrendered. The north not massacre and destroy south.

Indian rebellion same the armies defeated and that’s it. Civilians for most part not involved.

Boxer rebellion (China) large numbers died but country continued.

Maybe you need to explain what you want to happen. Because right now does not seem like what you want not ever happen just by Wars.
 
Italian unification turns bad.

Franco-Prussian War attracts other powers as Bismarck dies during the War.

Russo-Turkish War manages to mobilise Austria-Hungary and Germany against Russia and France against Germany.

A second Franco-German War in the 1890s.
 

Lusitania

Donor
Italian unification turns bad.

Franco-Prussian War attracts other powers as Bismarck dies during the War.

Russo-Turkish War manages to mobilise Austria-Hungary and Germany against Russia and France against Germany.

A second Franco-German War in the 1890s.
But again that just small part of Europe and rest of Europe plus world fine
 
I should clarify - by "the whole world", I don't mean literally, I mean figuratively. I just want a large-scale revolutions across most of North America, Europe, maybe Asia, and possibly Africa if it still gets scrombled...

Multiple PODs and butterfly effect encouraged...
 

Lusitania

Donor
I should clarify - by "the whole world", I don't mean literally, I mean figuratively. I just want a large-scale revolutions across most of North America, Europe, maybe Asia, and possibly Africa if it still gets scrombled...

Multiple PODs and butterfly effect encouraged...
But Africa is so fragmented with hundreds of tribes with no chance of providing a unifying force. They were even more at odds with their neighbors than the European colonizers.

Maybe something enraged Muslims so much they revolt en mass agsinst Europeans and non believers including Hindus and other non believers.
 
But Africa is so fragmented with hundreds of tribes with no chance of providing a unifying force. They were even more at odds with their neighbors than the European colonizers.

Maybe something enraged Muslims so much they revolt en mass agsinst Europeans and non believers including Hindus and other non believers.

Doesn't need to be organized. Just on a massive scale...
 
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