what if the aztecs were conquered, but not entirely defeated?I think having Cortez fail against the Aztecs would suffice. It was his against-the-odds victory that showed what was possible.
How about butterflying the civil war between Atahualpa and Huascar?
avoiding is some way civil war between Atahualpa and Huascar;
maybe avoiding extend to much and too fast
It would end up as a Portuguese Vassal when Inca christianizes, because Brazil was already under the Portuguese and it would be the Portuguese that introduce Potatoes instead of the Spanish..
what if the aztecs were conquered, but not entirely defeated?
im mainly wondering because thats one of the situations in my ASB ATLHow would that happen? I don't see many options between total success and total anihilation of the few hundred Spaniards.
How about butterflying the civil war between Atahualpa and Huascar?
You do know that Spain and Portugal had their relative spheres of influence defined in a [papally mediated] treaty whose terms both sides generally obeyed, no? The Incas were clearly on the Spanish side of the line. (Okay, admittedly so was western Brazil, but there weren't any obvious lines for a border through the Amazon basin short of the Andes...)It would end up as a Portuguese Vassal when Inca christianizes, because Brazil was already under the Portuguese
You do know that Spain and Portugal had their relative spheres of influence defined in a [papally mediated] treaty whose terms both sides generally obeyed, no? The Incas were clearly on the Spanish side of the line. (Okay, admittedly so was western Brazil, but there weren't any obvious lines for a border through the Amazon basin short of the Andes...)
But once you reach the Pacific, at least, it's pretty obvious... and in those days Spain > Portugal, so...PORTUGAL: What? We're on the Spanish side of the line? Gee, we didn't know that. But we're already here, anyway, so let's start building a fort...
im mainly wondering because thats one of the situations in my ASB ATLjust going on that supposition, that the aztecs decide to go for a strategic retreat instead of standing and fighting, what could it look like
or you all could ignore mei only subscribed to this thread in the first place because of potential differences that could arise for my own ATL projects. i could totally see the inca as a spanish vassal and ally rather than being conquered, though
Nope
Inca did actually maintain a sucessor state at Vilcabamba for 35 years under Manco Inca. Spanish waited until they were strong enough / had digested the rest of the inca empire and annihilated them. The Spanish mindset was that the land was theirs by the grace of god and to allow heathen native states to exist was tantamount to blasphemy (and very poor business too!)
That is what I want to point out, Inca should pull a Congo and be a Vassal of Portugal if they were to survive.
So far you haven't explained why becoming a Portuguese vassal would provide any benefit or would allow for the continued survival of the Inca Empire? It's not like the Kingdom of Kongo did well as a vassal state anyways.