How to achieve a British "victory" in the war of 1812?

There are numerous threads that have a British victory in this war as prerequisite and most are clogged up with Posts that "prove" thats impossible. The original Story (e.g. What happens in Europpe after such a Story) is soon forgotten in those threads.

People who think this way need not post in this thread ;) as I want to "research" ways to make it happen.

The "victory" need not be a total, but the British side must have suceeded in a way the "colonists" clearly have lost and the development of what we today know as the US is severely delayed and/or changed.

Ideally we could Focus on specific PODs one at a time and determine how they affect the war.

Early PODs preferred, but late are welcome too.
 
There are numerous threads that have a British victory in this war as prerequisite and most are clogged up with Posts that "prove" thats impossible. The original Story (e.g. What happens in Europpe after such a Story) is soon forgotten in those threads.

People who think this way need not post in this thread ;) as I want to "research" ways to make it happen.

The "victory" need not be a total, but the British side must have suceeded in a way the "colonists" clearly have lost and the development of what we today know as the US is severely delayed and/or changed.

Ideally we could Focus on specific PODs one at a time and determine how they affect the war.

Early PODs preferred, but late are welcome too.
Many on this site would say that the British did win the War of 1812.

As for how to make the British "clearly" win against the US, all you would need is for Britain to make peace with Napoleon and focus its strength on the US. The US wasn't that strong yet.
 
There are numerous threads that have a British victory in this war as prerequisite and most are clogged up with Posts that "prove" thats impossible.
Ideally we could Focus on specific PODs one at a time and determine how they affect the war.
Early PODs preferred, but late are welcome too.
Lot of people have issues with any thread in which the US loses, they don't see the US of 200 years ago not being the mighty gorilla with massive bat. Hence they dogmatically "prove" it can not be done even when shown the balance of forces , relative effectiveness of troops and the fact that in a pre railway age , a full blockade of the coast would be devastating.
All it needs is for the British to decide that the US is its focus and its over, Napoleon dying in Russia is one way, but just deciding to let guerillas sap French strength in Spain for another year and delaying going on the offensive would probably do it. For an earlier POD, just have France do a deal with Spain, they withdraw and Spain goes neutral, frees up the OTL Wellington and many trained troops , after Trafalgar, the RN has no other fleet to worry about so can reinforce a blockade.
 
Even IOTL the US economy was basically in the tank by the time the war ended, so a more decisive British victory* could be as simple as making the British keep fighting until the US government goes bankrupt.

* "More decisive" because I'm one of the ones who things the war was a British victory anyway.
 
Even IOTL the US economy was basically in the tank by the time the war ended, so a more decisive British victory* could be as simple as making the British keep fighting until the US government goes bankrupt.

* "More decisive" because I'm one of the ones who things the war was a British victory anyway.
Me too
 
They did win by stopping what they viewed as a side-skirmish from distracting from fighting Napoleon.

A bigger victory would, I guess, consist of an Indian protectorate in the Midwest.
 
Maybe a further British victory in the war could include annexations, such as a big chunk of Maine, an uncontested claim to Oregon, or New Orleans (the premise of the Dead Skunk TL).
 
What if Tecumseh survives what becomes of his dream for a pan Indian confederacy.

If the British back it all (which I am somewhat dubious of) it lasts until perhaps ten years beyond his death and promptly becomes Upper Canada 2.0. There were already white settlers at Detroit, and there would continue to be a trickle through Michigan that would slowly erode his position. Best case scenario is that he can dovetail his way into a British colony and secure voting rights for his people and produce an effective and important minority early on.
 
Maybe a further British victory in the war could include annexations, such as a big chunk of Maine, an uncontested claim to Oregon, or New Orleans (the premise of the Dead Skunk TL).
taking New Orleans would about guarantee that there will be another US/UK war in the future... that city was the whole purpose of the LA Purchase, because the US wanted the entire Mississippi for shipping it's goods. The US would much more likely bargain away the upper reaches of the Purchase territory, land they saw as mostly useless at the time.
 
Well I'm an American and I'll admit we pretty much failed to obtain any of our war aims. But we did slap them on the ass on their way out.
 
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