How strong would a Independent Kingdom of Burgundy be if it looked like this?

True but controlling Burgundian lands and france would be a bit much no?

Not really. They did absorbated other apanages before that were quite important themselves. The only obstacle is, as OTL, their neighbours claims to Burgundian territories, but considering that it would be Valois-Burgundy inheriting the throne rather than the reverse, it shouldn't be too hard to take it all.
Of course, I suspect some inherited lands would be given to cadet sons, but under the royal suzerainty while Flanders would likely evolve in a collection of autonomous city-states within the kingdom before the cycle revolt/crush/re-revolt that would end either in their separation or their final submission.
 
Not really. They did absorbated other apanages before that were quite important themselves. The only obstacle is, as OTL, their neighbors claims to Burgundian territories.

hmm Early super France would be cool to see, but an independent entity would also be cool to see...hmmm decisions.
 
What would be the official language of an independent Burgundy?

This is another problem for them admittedly...

I was thinking if they held it together they would be speaking something like luxembourgish maybe? representing the meshing together of dutch,french and german,
 
hmm Early super France would be cool to see, but an independent entity would also be cool to see...hmmm decisions.

That said, Valois-Burgundy inheriting would be that obvious. Depsite being an Valois branch, they had several other houses before them.
Elder branch, Valois-Orléans,Valois-Angoulême, Valois-Anjou and eventually Valois-Burgundy.

In short, not that likely to happen.

What would be the official language of an independent Burgundy?
Assuming it's a reasonably plausible surviving Burgundy, probably French as it was the elite language of almost all its demesnes, as in Brittany.
 
I'm Going to Try to move disscussion over here for a more refined scenario.


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Gosh darn it I meant to link to my other thread.

As it stands there won't be and independent kingdom of burgundy if I do this right. :eek:
 
Oh shoot your right! hmm

They would probably have to split those thrones though.

Nah they wouldn't. Co Flanders and Du Burgundy are fiefs of the Crown of France in the 15th C they would be reunited with the Royal Demesne. The remainder would be held by the King of France as fiefs of the Empire. Which gives them a real and very influential stake in any future Imperial Election.

however, had House Valois-Burgundy passed through the female line, say Mary the Rich, pity the marriage plans of Nicholas of Lorraine did not come to fruition, uniting Lorraine and Bar with the rest of the Burgundian collection then they would have formed a continuous block (without allies its doubtful that Nicholas would have been as successful as Maximilian it should be noted). The V-B might still have the senior male heir, but not the Senior heir- general. Those would still be Claude and Margaret, provided one of their husbands has a claim on the crown as well, then they would probably inherit...or more properly their husband would be accepted as heir. That could still leave the throne to the Bourbons. However, the continuing existence of the House V-B, or even Valois-Vaudémont, would almost certainly have intermarried again back into the main line. Say Claude for instance instead of taking husband from the Vaudémont of Lorraine but instead from Valois-Vaudémont of Burgundy-Lorraine instead, then they would probably still gain the throne instead of Bourbon. Claude being elder to Margaret, and the Valois-Vaudémont having a male line claim at least as good as the Bourbon once you factor in the likely political factions in play and Religion. Bourbon was Huguenot protestant.. Valois-Vaudémont would probably remain Catholic but tolerant from necessity.
 
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