How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms
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According to Wikipedia: "Sarin degrades after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life can be shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA, some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks, owing mostly to impure precursors."
Will there actually be any Sarin in the sample when it gets to Japan?
I think its the formulas they're carrying that are the real bad news, clearly Hitler's giving the Japanese his Crown Jewels. Gassing GI's coming ashore is in any case only going to make the eventual nuclear retaliation even more brutal. 
Geon
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Here is another short update. And regarding the deterioration of Sarin I didn't know that. Assume that the appropriate measures have been taken to retard deterioration for as long as possible.
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Date: December 6, 1944
Location: Washington, D.C. (OCD)
Time: 9:00 a.m. [EDT}
There was a mood of celebration in the offices of NATJAB. There had been no further deaths or new cases reported in New York in the last 24 hours! As of today the New York outbreak could now be considered contained. That left only Los Angeles. The numbers there were still rising incrementally but there was hope the numbers would level out by the end of the week. Meantime recommendation would be made as the streets of New York were now quiet to returning the troops stationed there to their barracks.
Cities/ Number of Casualties/ Deaths/
Los Angeles/ 2,790/ 336
Total Infected: 3,380, Total Deaths: 614
Date: December 6, 1944
Location: Eastern German, near the Ardennes
Time: 4:15 a.m. [German time]
Her name was “Dora,” and she was a monster. She was slightly over 155 feet long and was one of the largest artillery guns ever produced. Her builders, Krupp industries, had only built two of them. One was stationed on the Eastern Front, the other one, this one, was being repositioned here. She took 250 crewmembers to assemble or disassemble. Her crew was now moving the last of her massive pieces into place on this railway siding near the jump-off point for “Watch on the Rhine.” It would take several days to set her up but she would be ready when the time was right to strike.
Under normal circumstances she was lethal. But when the Ardennes counter offensive began she would be much more so. In addition to high explosive shells which could be lobbed into enemy positions 21.5 miles away the arsenal of Dora this time would include mustard gas and tabun.
Date: December 6, 1944
Location: Near Bergen, Norway
Time: 5:00 a.m.
Near Bergen, Norway a small group of the Norwegian resistance met to consider some new information. Some of their people in Bergen had told them of the arrival a few days ago of two planes, two very big planes which were now under guard at the Bergen aerodrome. Whatever the nature of the two planes was they were being guarded by 2 whole companies of German infantry. Further sweeps of the surrounding countryside for resistance fighters had become more frequent. Whatever was going on the Germans were going to great lengths to conceal it. The planes were not seen during the daylight hours, however at least twice they had been taken out of their hangers for flights during the night hours. Some of the resistance had managed to catch a glimpse or two of the planes and were making some guesses as to their size and purpose.
It was decided that a report needed to be sent to London, even though at this point information on the planes was woefully small.
Here is another short update. And regarding the deterioration of Sarin I didn't know that. Assume that the appropriate measures have been taken to retard deterioration for as long as possible.
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Date: December 6, 1944
Location: Washington, D.C. (OCD)
Time: 9:00 a.m. [EDT}
There was a mood of celebration in the offices of NATJAB. There had been no further deaths or new cases reported in New York in the last 24 hours! As of today the New York outbreak could now be considered contained. That left only Los Angeles. The numbers there were still rising incrementally but there was hope the numbers would level out by the end of the week. Meantime recommendation would be made as the streets of New York were now quiet to returning the troops stationed there to their barracks.
Cities/ Number of Casualties/ Deaths/
Los Angeles/ 2,790/ 336
Total Infected: 3,380, Total Deaths: 614
Date: December 6, 1944
Location: Eastern German, near the Ardennes
Time: 4:15 a.m. [German time]
Her name was “Dora,” and she was a monster. She was slightly over 155 feet long and was one of the largest artillery guns ever produced. Her builders, Krupp industries, had only built two of them. One was stationed on the Eastern Front, the other one, this one, was being repositioned here. She took 250 crewmembers to assemble or disassemble. Her crew was now moving the last of her massive pieces into place on this railway siding near the jump-off point for “Watch on the Rhine.” It would take several days to set her up but she would be ready when the time was right to strike.
Under normal circumstances she was lethal. But when the Ardennes counter offensive began she would be much more so. In addition to high explosive shells which could be lobbed into enemy positions 21.5 miles away the arsenal of Dora this time would include mustard gas and tabun.
Date: December 6, 1944
Location: Near Bergen, Norway
Time: 5:00 a.m.
Near Bergen, Norway a small group of the Norwegian resistance met to consider some new information. Some of their people in Bergen had told them of the arrival a few days ago of two planes, two very big planes which were now under guard at the Bergen aerodrome. Whatever the nature of the two planes was they were being guarded by 2 whole companies of German infantry. Further sweeps of the surrounding countryside for resistance fighters had become more frequent. Whatever was going on the Germans were going to great lengths to conceal it. The planes were not seen during the daylight hours, however at least twice they had been taken out of their hangers for flights during the night hours. Some of the resistance had managed to catch a glimpse or two of the planes and were making some guesses as to their size and purpose.
It was decided that a report needed to be sent to London, even though at this point information on the planes was woefully small.
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Artatochor
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The Dora? Allies are fucked in the upcoming offensive. I think Bastogne might be targeted with this monster. There'll be some happy Germans in Antwerp, on New Year.
Garrison
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Until the Allies initiate Operation Vegetarian, and then of course there's the not so small matter of the A-Bombs.
Garrison
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Who can say at this point? If Hirohito's efforts to remove the hardliners works Japan may surrender earlier and Hitler's efforts might postpone the German defeat so Germany gets all the bombs...
Artatochor
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Yeah. I do wonder what happens to the submarine, though. Perhaps it is meant to arrive at the destination, afterall?
Assuming that the U-boat makes it to Japan, which is very very iffy, it will arrive in March of 1945. Assuming the war is still going on in the Pacific, OTL Japanese industry was simply incapable of producing any significant numbers of jet engines (or airframes to put them in) or V-1's. The Japanese chemical industry was much more limited than the German industry, and it has been trashed along with all other industries by March, 1945. While Japan could (and did) produce war gasses other than nerve gasses (mustard, cyanogen chloride, phosgene) their ability to produce tabun or sarin in quantity is highly limited. Assuming they do produce some, by this time the allies have been "exposed" to these agents, and will have developed the use of atropine at least for treatment, and troops will no longer consider gas masks &/or protective suits useless weight they have to carry.
Given that the US would expect the use of gas (including nerve agents) in any invasion of Japan in this scenario - which still can't be before fall 1945 - you may see starvation and serially nuking of Japan used as opposed to the planned Olympic/Coronet plans. Although it is against "pattern", the USA could invade Hokkaido which was being stripped of all defense to protect Kyushu & Honshu. This has the propaganda value of taking some of Japan, it puts air power from light bombers & fighters on up so close they can range at will, and it prevents the Russians from attempting such a coup as Cordell Hull (properly) was worried about.
Given that the US would expect the use of gas (including nerve agents) in any invasion of Japan in this scenario - which still can't be before fall 1945 - you may see starvation and serially nuking of Japan used as opposed to the planned Olympic/Coronet plans. Although it is against "pattern", the USA could invade Hokkaido which was being stripped of all defense to protect Kyushu & Honshu. This has the propaganda value of taking some of Japan, it puts air power from light bombers & fighters on up so close they can range at will, and it prevents the Russians from attempting such a coup as Cordell Hull (properly) was worried about.
jakefeatherstone
Banned
Production increased in Germany because the Germans didn't convert to a full wartime economy until 1943 with the appointment of Albert Speer as head of industrial planning, when strategic bombing was already well underway.
Pangur
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All of that (which I agree with)assumes OTL. If you add in the events in this TL the US and allies will get even more stuck into Japanese industry -
Tyr Anazasi
Banned
A suitable Uboat commander should be Wolfgang Lüth. http://www.uboat.net/men/luth.htm In contrast to most of his colleagues this Uboat commander was indeed a Nazi, who likely committed suicide after the war because of the fall of Germany.
Dora has a range of all of 21 miles.
The Allies have thousands of planes with a range of hundreds of miles.
Do you really think the Germans are going to win a gas war in western Europe?
The same western Europe where the general prevailing wind is from south-west to north-east.
We're likely to have a million Germans dead from gas by New Year.
I don't get the emphasis on Operation Vegetarian.
Drenching German cities with gas will be a lot quicker and more effective way of killing Germans than trying to give anthrax to cattle.
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