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For what reason would they spend money [millions] building the tooling for shells and new barrel liners and spare parts for one ship that's too slow to keep up with the carriers, when said tooling and stockpiles exist already for existing ships that can keep up with the carriers and the Fleet planned on phasing out battleships as quickly as possible [only one was in service by the Korean war when the others were reactivated and that because of Truman's fondness for USS Missouri and willingness to disagree with his cabinet and the Navy]

FYI US jet engines were predominantly based on British not German designs and the reason the US built a V-2 derivative was that they had nothing comparable which is not the situation here

the same reason The USA Army spend billions of Dollar in R&D of Nuclear artillery and there Warhead in 1950s. (Not only them USSR and France also built them)
and US Navy will certainly not stay behind, the use of Yamato as Nuclear artillery platform is perfect opportunity also to to aggravate the US army.
in that time they consider this as non plus ultra in Weapon design. until the Mobil missile system are ready in begin 1960s (the V2 technology was not ready for this Military use)
 
the same reason The USA Army spend billions of Dollar in R&D of Nuclear artillery and there Warhead in 1950s. (Not only them USSR and France also built them)
and US Navy will certainly not stay behind, the use of Yamato as Nuclear artillery platform is perfect opportunity also to to aggravate the US army.
in that time they consider this as non plus ultra in Weapon design. until the Mobil missile system are ready in begin 1960s (the V2 technology was not ready for this Military use)
Why the Yamato? The Iowas got nuclear W23 "Katie" shells OTL and giving the Yamato those shells would cost the same amount of money or greater [need new tooling for 46cm caliber] than the Iowas for a quarter or less the benefits [not including the cost of paying for the Yamato to stay active which would be much more than the cost of an Iowa or other US battleship] as the Katie shell would be fireable by older 16" guns

True there's the 4km difference in range but I'm not sure if the range for the 16"/50 mk7 is for the 2700lbs super heavy mark 8 shell or a lighter shell, which might equalize the range

Anyways the Iowas could do the nuclear job and for cheaper on a per vessel base and could escort the carriers, not to mention their better AA suite
 
What measuring system did the Japanese use? If the metric system it is going to be a real pain to fix the Yamato. Will require separate tools,nuts, bolts and all that.
 
The Yamato will prove very useful to the United States once recommissioned, as the Cold War will get going soon. No doubt it is a very good ship, though the companion ways may be a bit on the short side.

I suspect the standards of accommodation may be a bit different from what the US sailor expects.
 
What measuring system did the Japanese use? If the metric system it is going to be a real pain to fix the Yamato. Will require separate tools,nuts, bolts and all that.
By this time Metric from what I recall

There's also the issue of having to replace all or almost all of the secondary armament [it's not that good], fire control systems and radar, never mind that the USN wants to get rid of all its battleships by 1949
 
Are there any bobby traps active or passive in the Hitler mausoleum and Vault.
or maybe amaze to confuse anyone trying to get in to it.
Maybe there is a puzzle you need to solve to find the place and more to get past the bobby traps or find your way though the maze.
Maybe a the light illuminates the mausoleum on the solstice.like in newgrange.

Once a year, at the winter solstice, the rising sun shines directly along the long passage into the chamber for about 17 minutes and illuminates the chamber floor.[5] This alignment is too precise to be widely considered to be formed by chance. Professor M. J. O'Kelly was the first person in modern times to observe this event on December 21, 1967.[28] The sun enters the passage through a specially contrived opening, known as a roofbox, directly above the main entrance. Although solar alignments are not uncommon among passage graves, Newgrange is one of few to contain the additional roofbox feature; (Cairn G at Carrowkeel Megalithic Cemetery is another, and it has been suggested that one can be found at Bryn Celli Ddu.[29]). The alignment is such that although the roofbox is above the passage entrance, the light hits the floor of the inner chamber. Today the first light enters about four minutes after sunrise, but calculations based on the precession of the Earth show that 5,000 years ago first light would have entered exactly at sunrise.[15] The solar alignment at Newgrange is very precise compared to similar phenomena at other passage graves such as Dowth or Maes Howe in the Orkney islands, off the coast of Scotland. Current-day visitors to Newgrange are treated to a re-enactment of this event through the use of electric lights situated within the tomb. The finale of a Newgrange tour results in every tour member standing inside the tomb where the tour guide then turns off the lights, and lights the light bulb simulating the sun as it would appear on the winter solstice. Anyone visiting the historic site can experience an approximation of the phenomenon any time of year, and is often the highlight of the tour. A lottery is held annually for "tickets" to allow the holder into the tomb to view the actual event. The popularity of this event was the reason a lottery was introduced, and also why the lights were installed.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange
 
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More or less in agreement with LeoXiao about the plausibility of the MPR invading Korea, especially given the weakened condition of the MPR compared to OTL PRC, whose intervention was precipitated by numerous warnings against advancing past the North-South border and repeated promises of intervention, in the face of the US/UN push to the Yalu and the apparent desire to annex North Korea. It just doesn't fit in this TL too well unless you elaborate significantly on the thought processes.

If anything, we're more likely to see a renewed Chinese Civil War, promises to the Soviets be damned.

Everything else in the TL has been fantastic though. :)
 

sharlin

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I find it hard to believe after what has happened that Stalin will let Zhukov live more than a few days after the war is over after what has happened. Zhukov must realize that himself and is obviously thinking for some sort of coup. Given Stalin's paranoia and highly effective NKVD what do you think Zhukov's chances are, and what will the results be is succeeds. My guess would be very poor chances of success for Zhukov, but if he succeed we will see a very different Russia.


Don't forget that at the time (1944) the power of Commissars was greatly reduced, they were no longer oversight and choke chains, much to Beria's disgust, they were more like morale officers.
 

Sir Chaos

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Don't forget that at the time (1944) the power of Commissars was greatly reduced, they were no longer oversight and choke chains, much to Beria's disgust, they were more like morale officers.

Speaking of Commissars... there´s still the plot of Zhukov´s peculiar actions to be resolved.
 
Are there any bobby traps active or passive in the Hitler mausoleum and Vault.
or maybe amaze to confuse anyone trying to get in to it.
Maybe there is a puzzle you need to solve to find the place and more to get past the bobby traps or find your way though the maze.
Maybe a the light illuminates the mausoleum on the solstice.like in newgrange.

Dam i have not think about that, but it would little bit stupid, to kill those guys how have to resurrect the Movement and build the Fourth Reich ?
but why not in way of Doctor Who classic "Tomb of the Cybermen" here earth scientist try to open the tomb of a Cybermen King,
full of deathly bobby traps, until the Doctor Who realize those are no Traps but test to select by killing, the surviving men is needed by the Cybermen...
 
Dam i have not think about that, but it would little bit stupid, to kill those guys how have to resurrect the Movement and build the Fourth Reich ?
but why not in way of Doctor Who classic "Tomb of the Cybermen" here earth scientist try to open the tomb of a Cybermen King,
full of deathly bobby traps, until the Doctor Who realize those are no Traps but test to select by killing, the surviving men is needed by the Cybermen...

Well, sure this can make a great Indiana Jones movie.:p
 
I think unless they've very carefully hidden the now sealed entrance to the mausoleum, that place will be discovered within 75 years after it was sealed. And the mausoleum site will have to be somewhere away from the Berghof buildings and not near any potential railroad tunnel lines to escape initial detection.

Here's why it might be detected: ground penetrating radar. The American Space Shuttle flew a number of radar imaging missions, and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission that flew in 2000 may have detected a ground anomaly near the site of the former Berghof, which would have finally led to the discovery of the underground mausoleum.
 
I think unless they've very carefully hidden the now sealed entrance to the mausoleum, that place will be discovered within 75 years after it was sealed. And the mausoleum site will have to be somewhere away from the Berghof buildings and not near any potential railroad tunnel lines to escape initial detection.

Here's why it might be detected: ground penetrating radar. The American Space Shuttle flew a number of radar imaging missions, and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission that flew in 2000 may have detected a ground anomaly near the site of the former Berghof, which would have finally led to the discovery of the underground mausoleum.


I bet it would be detected within 60-90 days. Despite Hitler's efforts, you can't kill everyone living in the area. Someone will have suspicions and pass them to the Allies to curry favor. The Allies will check it out and find the place.
 
I bet it would be detected within 60-90 days. Despite Hitler's efforts, you can't kill everyone living in the area. Someone will have suspicions and pass them to the Allies to curry favor. The Allies will check it out and find the place.
Hell given Nazi OCD about records there's probably quite a few undeleted mentions of supply shipments and prisoner transfers to the site

Well the good thing ITTL is once they find the place all those treasures that disappeared OTL can be properly returned and displayed for all mankind
 
Isn't Goering in hiding somewhere? Wouldn't he think "Hey! If I can tell the Anglo-Americans where Hitler is buried, maybe I can work out a deal with them!"
 
Goering was not in the loop for the burial/treasure vault. Would you tell Goering where masses of art and treasure are located.:D

Sure, see below

Leutnant: Herr General, the Reds have changed direction and are now heading toward Putzenstadt.
General: Danke
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General: Herman, our boys defending Putzenstadt have just discovered a Jewish miser's horde in the basement of one of the houses there.
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What? No, Intelligence insists the Russians are heading well away from ther, and as of this morning, our scouts report the same.
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Well, no, our boys can handle it.
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I suppose, we COULD use some air force support.


:)
 
With 50 seasoned Red Army divisions I think the Chinese Communists can definitely control more land than only Manchuria. My guess is Konev's armies could get as far as the Yellow River or even the north bank of the Yangtze before the ROC government could field significant forces to block the advance. As well, if Stalin's willing to concede on Korea he'll push harder in China to get a Soviet sphere of influence in Asia.

I have to say that Manchuria invading Korea in what is obviously a "war of national aggression" (considered fascist by the Communist countries) with no way of justification is implausible the way it is presented in the update. A better way of explaining this (if I can add in some more details) is to say that communist revolutionaries under Kim Il-sung refused to accept the American-backed govt. and fought an underground war. They were on the verge of defeat when the MPA attempted to come to their rescue.

I agree with this.

Marc A

P.S. GREAT TL!!!
 
On vacation and had to read 20+ pages to catch up!

Absolutely excellent TL, and well worth keeping up with. Several questions though...

1) Will we ever find out Goring's fate?
2) What is Zhukov's postwar fate?
3) Does the next generation of Nazi's have any sort of success?

Thanks again for a wonderful read!:D
 
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