How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms
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OH, boy. I should think that Manchuria would be the country showing movies about atomic monsters. As for Korea allying with the KMT, I'd wait and see on that.
I believe from previous posts it will be an ally later but in 1952 I'm guessing the memories of what happened during WWII are just too raw.
cubefreak123
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China has its own problems to deal with. They'd be more concentrated on rebuilding and ensuring their legitimacy with the people after the mess with the civil war and WW2. Although this does get me thinking, will this China try for gradual reforms over a long period or will they try their own variation of the Great Leap Forward?
The problem is that Manchuria had a LOT of industry and resources. China may have had more people but they'd have some of the same problems as the USSR at the beginning of WW2: lots of men but not enough weapons.
But who's to say that Manchuria isn't nervous? Maybe the leadership there kept a good amount of their forces on the border with China as a precaution while also invading Korea. It would help explain the Manchurian advance only going 50 miles in.
I'll say this though: from the 2013 perspective in this timeline, the Manchurian People's Republic is like the People's Republic of China in the original timeline--technically Communist, but economically booming thanks to many economic reforms enacted in the late 1980's to late 1990's. As such, some time around 2000 a real peace treaty between MPR and the Korean Republic is finally signed, and trade between the MPR and Korean Republic begin again. New bridges cross the Yalu River are built, and Dandong on the Manchurian side of the Yalu River is booming like Shenzhen next to Hong Kong in the OTL.
I have to say that Manchuria invading Korea in what is obviously a "war of national aggression" (considered fascist by the Communist countries) with no way of justification is implausible the way it is presented in the update. A better way of explaining this (if I can add in some more details) is to say that communist revolutionaries under Kim Il-sung refused to accept the American-backed govt. and fought an underground war. They were on the verge of defeat when the MPA attempted to come to their rescue.
I wonder if Producer Tomoyuki Tanaka & director Ishirō Honda make in Japan am movie like The Fog (2005 version)?
were Tokyo is attack by a deathly radioactive poisons intelligent Fog who seek revenge on Japan war criminals ...
katchen
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The Yamato will prove very useful to the United States once recommissioned, as the Cold War will get going soon. No doubt it is a very good ship, though the companion ways may be a bit on the short side.
I love that idea, especial with combination that there original crew is reactivated to handle the ship
by the way what happened to it sister ship the Musashi ?
could be it docket on Santa Monica pier Los Angeles ?
Musashi was sunk before the POD, during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, summer, 1944
RamscoopRaider
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Won't happen, Yamato's 6 knots slower and 15,000 tons bigger, and the USN thought the Iowas were a little big for the job anyway and it is unique, the Iowas have parts commonality and a large spare stock the Yamato won't
I wonder the the US military do the equivalent of the Operation Crossroads nuclear test to find out what would happen to ships if a nuclear weapon was detonated nearby. Did the Yamato in this timeline meet this final fate, or ended up being a museum piece?
they have enough German & italian Battleship and Japanese aircraft carrier to nuke..
This is one biggest Battleship ever build
NINE 46 cm/45 caliber (18.1 in) guns—the largest guns ever fitted to a warship
were capable of fired range of 42.0 kilometres (26.1 mi) at a rate of 1½ to 2 per minute!
to nuke is would be waste and price less trophy and potential US battleschip
the US Navy used Battleship USS Missouri (BB-63) until 1998 !
imagine that with USS Yamato with Japanese-american crew and constant update! (happened with some german ship and sub service in US Navy after ww2)
by the way, would Leiji Matsumoto will made Space Battleship Musashi in this TL ?
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RamscoopRaider
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The US also had enormous stocks of leftover 16"/50 caliber shells, and no 46cm shells, not to mention the rest of the spare parts the US had stockpiles of for the Iowas and none for the Yamato
The US also had manuals and experience with the Iowas in English
Plus there is the issue that the USN thought the Iowas were a little big for the job, and Yamato is even bigger than them, and at 6 knots slower it would slow down carrier groups and the Iowas won't
It's either a trophy, or they nuke it, it could go either way but given mammoth budget cuts and the cost of making it a trophy nuking is most likely
not to have 46cm shells ?
just like the USA build and improve German Jet Engine and V2 rockets after War, they can build 19''/46cm shells and even more
they could R&D other Shell for guns like Chemical, anti Aircraft or even Nuclear artillery like M65 Atomic Cannon.
In that case the USS Yamato could fire NINE W19 nuclear warhead with each 20 kT for 50 km or 31 miles far
now we have most infernal battleship of all time !
Actually, in this POD the US eventually gives back the Yamato to Japan who convert it for planetary defense for reals!
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RamscoopRaider
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For what reason would they spend money [millions] building the tooling for shells and new barrel liners and spare parts for one ship that's too slow to keep up with the carriers, when said tooling and stockpiles exist already for existing ships that can keep up with the carriers and the Fleet planned on phasing out battleships as quickly as possible [only one was in service by the Korean war when the others were reactivated and that because of Truman's fondness for USS Missouri and willingness to disagree with his cabinet and the Navy]
FYI US jet engines were predominantly based on British not German designs and the reason the US built a V-2 derivative was that they had nothing comparable which is not the situation here
Donald Reaver
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I find it hard to believe after what has happened that Stalin will let Zhukov live more than a few days after the war is over after what has happened. Zhukov must realize that himself and is obviously thinking for some sort of coup. Given Stalin's paranoia and highly effective NKVD what do you think Zhukov's chances are, and what will the results be is succeeds. My guess would be very poor chances of success for Zhukov, but if he succeed we will see a very different Russia.
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