How scary Hitler running the Klan

My assumption was that Adolph was born as otl but in the US. His dad is still an evil thug.

Hie serves in WW1, obviusly as an American. He has not obvious accent. (He may have changed his last name, though it is not that obviously germanic if you do not know otl.)

I assume he is an embittered person with the same personal gifts as otl.
 
He's a Catholic immigrant - he can dress himself up, convert, whatever but the KKK is very much a Nativist grouping - Protestants from the British Isles, the great farmer pioneers etc. If he got accepted, I doubt he'd go too far.

Depending on where he ends up, whose to say he doesn't suffer discrimination and becomes part of the New York Central European mileau? Becomes a Union man, marries a nice Jewish girl, joins the IWW and sees Debs speak?

Hell maybe he becomes a badass cop in Pittsburg?

As others have said - oh the butterflies
 
If Aloise Hitler moves with his family to the U.S. he wil lvery likely be moving to Pennsyvania, specifically the ethnic German centers of the state. This will put Young Adolph in with a very mellow bunch of people.

He will enter the AMerican school system and come under the influence of other young American boys of German-American derivation. This means he will not suffer alienation and the abuse his father handed out will be softened and ameliorared by the other adults looking down on that sort of thing.

Under these new and positive influence, I can actually see Adolph doing a lot of growing u. Growing up that he never had the chance to do IOTL.

In short he will have been effectivly removed from the steaming cauldron of hate and racism that turned him into such a jackwagon.

I could even see him becoming a hard core "AMerican" in rebelion of his father's being such a jackwagon.

This TL could even see him serving in the AEF and fighting on the right side in the great war and coming home as a part of a victorious army to a nation that tells him what a good job he did and how proud they are of him.

You tell me what effect that will have.
 
Georgia, 1917

Hitler: Heil boys! :)

KKK: What's up?

Hitler: I'd like to join your organization. :eek:

KKK: Sure, what's your name?

Hitler: Hitler, Adolf. :eek:

KKK: :mad::mad::mad: AW BLEEDING JESUS IT'S A HUN *RAWR* REMEMBER THE LUSITANIA!!!!!
 
Georgia, 1917

Hitler: Heil boys! :)

KKK: What's up?

Hitler: I'd like to join your organization. :eek:

KKK: Sure, what's your name?

Hitler: Hitler, Adolf. :eek:

KKK: :mad::mad::mad: AW BLEEDING JESUS IT'S A HUN *RAWR* REMEMBER THE LUSITANIA!!!!!
Yeah, about that.

Then too let's presume he serves in the AEF during World war one.

A lot of the influences that led him to being such a racist jackhole was the fact that he fought in a lost war and then came home to a humilitated nation and an emsculated army.

SO what's it going to do for him if he fights as a part of a victoroius army and comes home to a proud grateful nation that tells him what a good egg he is.
 
He's a Catholic immigrant - he can dress himself up, convert, whatever but the KKK is very much a Nativist grouping - Protestants from the British Isles, the great farmer pioneers etc. If he got accepted, I doubt he'd go too far.

Depending on where he ends up, whose to say he doesn't suffer discrimination and becomes part of the New York Central European mileau? Becomes a Union man, marries a nice Jewish girl, joins the IWW and sees Debs speak?

Hell maybe he becomes a badass cop in Pittsburg?

As others have said - oh the butterflies


Flap flap flap :)


I could so live with that.

I like the idea of Hitler becoming the protege of the legendary leader of the nation's socialist party. :cool:

Edit: Eugene Debs had no children... so Adolf is like the son he never had. Wow.



If Aloise Hitler moves with his family to the U.S. he wil lvery likely be moving to Pennsyvania, specifically the ethnic German centers of the state. This will put Young Adolph in with a very mellow bunch of people.
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In short he will have been effectivly removed from the steaming cauldron of hate and racism that turned him into such a jackwagon.
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This TL could even see him serving in the AEF and fighting on the right side in the great war and coming home as a part of a victorious army to a nation that tells him what a good job he did and how proud they are of him.

You tell me what effect that will have.




From Cauldron of Hate to Quaker State.

And this young energetic man leads the American Socialist Party into its post-Debs era (Debs died in 1926 at age 70) to continued importance on the American political stage.


Edit2: More better butterflies! Hitler's leadership of the Socialist Party into the 1960s tugs the political center leftward.

Of course Vice President Nixon intervenes on MLK's behalf... how could he do otherwise? The grateful African-American community gives young Nixon the edge that puts him into the Oval Office with the election of 1960.
 
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Flap flap flap :)


I could so live with that.

I like the idea of Hitler becoming the protege of the legendary leader of the nation's socialist party. :cool:

Edit: Eugene Debs had no children... so Adolf is like the son he never had. Wow.








From Cauldron of Hate to Quaker State.

And this young energetic man leads the American Socialist Party into its post-Debs era (Debs died in 1926 at age 70) to continued importance on the American political stage.
I very much doubt he would become a full on socialist, BUT I can very easily see our boy becoming an important infuential liberal leader, if not a full on secular humanist.
 
February 14, 1964
Pittsburgh, PA
Headquarters of the American Socialist Party

President Richard Nixon is in the area, and part of his schedule includes dropping by the American Socialist Party HQ to visit with the aged but still spry and outspoken party leader Adolf Hitler. There is some speculation that Nixon will receive Hitler's endorsement for re-election.

As Nixon makes his way to where he will meet with the aged activist, he speaks with an aide of his.

Nixon: "Have you ever seen the man speak? Fervent, huh?"
Aide: "If you ask me, almost hypnotic. Almost frightening, truth be told."
Nixon: "Yeah, I think you're right!" (Laughs.)
 
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Flap, flap, flap...

Adolf's younger brother Edmund does not die of measles, and, Adolf doesn't undergo the savage shift in his disposition, as noted for otl here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Childhood

Alois succeeds at farming. Family relations are less strained...

Yes, butterflies are inevitable. But if we determine that this Hitler would have no similarity, even in terms of personality. It quickly becomes next to impossible to predict anything that this Hitler does. That's one of my concerns with butterflies in a speculative context. Taken to their logical extreme, an emphasis on butterflies makes any and all speculation, about anything at all, impossible. But while we're on the subject of butterflies, assuming we are going with a Hitler who is born in the United States scenario, that is Alois and Klara emigrate while the latter is pregnant with Adolf, isn't there a chance that Edmund isn't born at all. And while an Edmund might survive, he might not, random childhood illness in that era is unpredictable. Not saying his death is inevitable, just that it's one of many possibilities.

I'm not trying to argue about inevitability. I just think that, in so far as personality is concerned, it's within the realm of possibility that the American Hitler develops a messianic view of himself, which is combined with considerable resentments and hatreds perhaps not directed towards the Jews per se. In an American context, those traits could easily lead in a very different direction. In my view, in the United States, assuming a perhaps implausible amount of personality continuity, I think Adolf Hitler might end up a minor figure on the radical fringe of the American left, with a particular animus towards Germany and Austria, due to his desire to prove himself to be 100 percent American during the First World War, assuming the Hitler's emigration doesn't butterfly it away, and his attitude towards his father.
 
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