How reactionary would a surviving Confederacy be

samcster94

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Given slavery, the cornerstone it was founded on was obviously a reactionary idea in 1861, how reactionary would it be in the late 19th century/early 20th(by their standards obviously)??? I can imagine them, in addition to slavery of course, also being anti-suffrage(even for white women), anti anything union/labor/workplace safety related, being even more pro-imperialism, etc ...
 
It would matter when and how they won. A Confederacy that wins in September 1862 because Lee has his troops Washington is very different from a Confederacy that wins a peace of exaustion in November 1864 and the winners have faced very different experiences.

An early victory Confederacy is more likely to be more Imperialistic and more conservative toward Women, Unions etc.

A late victory Confederacy might be surprisingsly liberal. A returning solider might be less willing to accept crap from a planter, particularly if he became an officer and said planter hired a substitute and if you have would be Union organizers able to use military discipline in striking might be formidible. A woman who stepped into positions they wouldn't have had otherwise had but for the war might be less willing to go back to the way it was. A lot of those slaves now can read in 1864. Basically a lot of people are going to be empowered.

And the Planters won't have the occupation, hatred of the damnyankee, and lost cause mythology to get people back into the habits of obeidience.
 
It would matter when and how they won. A Confederacy that wins in September 1862 because Lee has his troops Washington is very different from a Confederacy that wins a peace of exaustion in November 1864 and the winners have faced very different experiences.

An early victory Confederacy is more likely to be more Imperialistic and more conservative toward Women, Unions etc.

A late victory Confederacy might be surprisingsly liberal. A returning solider might be less willing to accept crap from a planter, particularly if he became an officer and said planter hired a substitute and if you have would be Union organizers able to use military discipline in striking might be formidible. A woman who stepped into positions they wouldn't have had otherwise had but for the war might be less willing to go back to the way it was. A lot of those slaves now can read in 1864. Basically a lot of people are going to be empowered.

And the Planters won't have the occupation, hatred of the damnyankee, and lost cause mythology to get people back into the habits of obeidience.


Andrew Jackson's Democrats enjoyed wide support in the ante-bellum South. And since blacks won't vote in a successful CSA, the planters can't raise the bogeyman of "negro rule" to stop people voting Populist.

Being racist, in this era, did not imply being reactionary in any other way. Most Progressives in the era of TR and Wilson paid little or no attention to the status of the negro. And the converse is also true. The last attempt to defend black voting rights, the 1890 Force Bill, was sponsored by Henry Cabot Lodge, who was scarcely a Progressive. There was simply no linkage between the two things.
 

samcster94

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Andrew Jackson's Democrats enjoyed wide support in the ante-bellum South. And since blacks won't vote in a successful CSA, the planters can't raise the bogeyman of "negro rule" to stop people voting Populist.

Being racist, in this era, did not imply being reactionary in any other way. Most Progressives in the era of TR and Wilson paid little or no attention to the status of the negro. And the converse is also true. The last attempt to defend black voting rights, the 1890 Force Bill, was sponsored by Henry Cabot Lodge, who was scarcely a Progressive. There was simply no linkage between the two things.
That is pretty true(white women voting was an argument some racists used before 1920) and the Oregon laws keeping black people out until 1926 is a good example of this. Still, the Confederacy was reactionary on issues other than race. It had some economic policies that were pretty conservative for its time, was more militaristic than the North, weirdly against spelling reform(not an issue today), and had no separation of church and state(the constitution has Almighty God in it).
 
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