That map doesent seem super accurate and the link between Albigensian catharism and heresies in the balkans hasn’t been proven
1) it's a bit difficult to tell what, precisely, some of the heretical groups actually believed, as the surviving records tend to be from the Church's side, and their attitude was often 'These are heretics. Heretics believe X, Y and Z, therefore these guys believe those things.'. Without distinguishing between which groups believed X, which Y and which Z.
2) a significant heresy in the backyard of Catholicism, when crusades were in fashion? Really hard to see them surviving, let alone expanding.
3) iirc, to be 'perfect', you were supposed to be celibate. Asking your entire group to be celibate is a) a hard ask, as it so goes against humanity instincts and b) it makes it hard to raise the next generation of believers. Look at the Shakers, and other groups that espoused celibacy in the Second Great Awakening in the US - they all died out.
Sandwiched between orthodox Gaul, Spain and Italy? When you can 'win salvation' by joining a Crusade next door instead of having to go all the way to the Holy Land? No, I don't see that as at all likely.Couldn't their southern holdings in occitania survival in some way?
Sandwiched between orthodox Gaul, Spain and Italy? When you can 'win salvation' by joining a Crusade next door instead of having to go all the way to the Holy Land? No, I don't see that as at all likely.
1) it's a bit difficult to tell what, precisely, some of the heretical groups actually believed, as the surviving records tend to be from the Church's side, and their attitude was often 'These are heretics. Heretics believe X, Y and Z, therefore these guys believe those things.'. Without distinguishing between which groups believed X, which Y and which Z.
2) a significant heresy in the backyard of Catholicism, when crusades were in fashion? Really hard to see them surviving, let alone expanding.
3) iirc, to be 'perfect', you were supposed to be celibate. Asking your entire group to be celibate is a) a hard ask, as it so goes against humanity instincts and b) it makes it hard to raise the next generation of believers. Look at the Shakers, and other groups that espoused celibacy in the Second Great Awakening in the US - they all died out.