How much stronger and better off would Germany be right now had it won World War I?

Germany would replace OTL RUssia, I don't doubt they would have around the same population, +-145 million

if the americans do not join the war, then the german americans wouldn't be forced to integrated on american culture, we could see a huge amount of german influence in the US, even cities with german names

The german army could also replace the OTL Russian army, with germany having all the resources of central europe, every army in the world would want to look like the Heer, if the germans continue their cooperation with china and the nationalists win the war, the german bloc would be stronger than NATO is today. The Kaiserreich would control the grain of ukraine, the oil of romania, hungary and austria, and depending of the scenarios, the oil of Nigeria too.
 

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After Germany wins WWI, they're going to be knackered. They'll need to rebuild their nation and prop up their puppets. No time for adventuring in Russia.

What about simply occupying Petrograd long enough to summarily shoot all of the Bolshevik leaders and then withdrawing, though?

As for reacquiring Ukraine via force, see OTL.

Our TL 2014-2017?
 

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ITTL that one German English joke will become a reality:

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5 year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
 
I'm a little bit lost on these replies but i think French Facist Leaders(Like Adolf) would rise with revanchist ideals and maybe these leaders will infulence nations that lose the WWI in the same way and of course an World War 2 or maybe just an little war depending on the German power(Maybe they fell to the comunist and merged with soviet union.).
 
I'm a little bit lost on these replies but i think French Facist Leaders(Like Adolf) would rise with revanchist ideals and maybe these leaders will infulence nations that lose the WWI in the same way and of course an World War 2 or maybe just an little war depending on the German power(Maybe they fell to the comunist and merged with soviet union.).

The french would have no chance, even if they come with their own version of Blitzkrieg and align Italy and UK, they simple don't have enought strengh to defeat a consolidated german empire
 
The french would have no chance, even if they come with their own version of Blitzkrieg and align Italy and UK, they simple don't have enought strengh to defeat a consolidated german empire
Yep, talking about consolidation i remember that i read on history books that Brazil(My country hihi) get several economic problems with this war(my state was the most affected because +- 45% of our products was exported to Germany, my city population helped a little bit in hiding SMS Eber.) but even After war [With German Victory] Brazil Couldn't make a good alliance with Germany because US maybe would like to maintain its influence in south america which could trigger a new war but, with Germany Advanced U-boats Brazil could stay Safe. Even US losing the war on "Europe" i think Germany will hardly be able to expand your influence Arround the world, maybe US "Economic/diplomatic War" agaist Germany.
 
Yep, talking about consolidation i remember that i read on history books that Brazil(My country hihi) get several economic problems with this war(my state was the most affected because +- 45% of our products was exported to Germany, my city population helped a little bit in hiding SMS Eber.

I'm a brazilian too


Even US losing the war on "Europe" i think Germany will hardly be able to expand your influence Arround the world, maybe US "Economic/diplomatic War" agaist Germany.

They would slowy expand their influence, with or without american interference, as they did with china OTL, and well, the brazilian army even used the luger until 1937
 
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2017: bundes president Trumpf comes to power, chanting "Germany First" and the other European nations all make joke videos about why they should be second
 
Depends who is leading it. If Stalin thinks he has half a chance of winning, he'll go all in (Finland anyone?). Lenin probably even more so. Can't say for the other leading Bolsheviks, but there were probably some who wouldn't fight.

Stalin wasn't much of a gambler (Finland wasn't supposed to be a tenth as costly as it was), I don't see him hurling himself at mitteleuropa unless it was already on the ropes.
 
Stalin wasn't much of a gambler (Finland wasn't supposed to be a tenth as costly as it was), I don't see him hurling himself at mitteleuropa unless it was already on the ropes.

I agree with you on Finland, and I'd argue against BiteNibbleChomp's idea of Stalin going "all in" - clearly, neither in 1940 nor 1944, Stalin went "all in" towards Finland. It is more that he raised the stakes only until he reached a certain threshold based on how good he thought his cards were and how much the pot, Finland, would be worth - to keep using poker terms. Clearly, the outcomes of both the Winter War and the Continuation War show Stalin as a logical, careful and calculating player rather than an emotional gambler. He apparently could make emotional decisions sometimes, but then he also was quite able to reconsider those actions with a more clear head and amend them later.
 
Versailles was tightened over time?

The reparations of the ToV of 132 billion gold marks were broken into sections, the part that Germany would and could pay of 50 billion and the part that was included for show to mollify the population and wouldn't be paid. When the schedule was revised in 1929 the part that was omitted was put back in, set at 112 billion gold marks, unsurprisingly Hitler came to power not long after that.

As for the other suggestions flying around, I'd like to add that if Germany won WW1 we'd be using jet packs and hoverboards and this would be their frontline weapon.

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I agree with you on Finland, and I'd argue against BiteNibbleChomp's idea of Stalin going "all in" - clearly, neither in 1940 nor 1944, Stalin went "all in" towards Finland. It is more that he raised the stakes only until he reached a certain threshold based on how good he thought his cards were and how much the pot, Finland, would be worth - to keep using poker terms. Clearly, the outcomes of both the Winter War and the Continuation War show Stalin as a logical, careful and calculating player rather than an emotional gambler. He apparently could make emotional decisions sometimes, but then he also was quite able to reconsider those actions with a more clear head and amend them later.

Sending a million guys in and losing 15% of them suggests that he put quite a lot into that fight. Sure, the entire Red Army didn't go in, but I don't think attacking Finland in December is exactly "logical and careful".

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Sending a million guys in and losing 15% of them suggests that he put quite a lot into that fight. Sure, the entire Red Army didn't go in, but I don't think attacking Finland in December is exactly "logical and careful".

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Well, Stalin did not expect it would be a real war at all. He thought the Finnish "White militia" will fold after the first artillery barrages and the sight of modern bombers above the nation's cities. Attacking even in winter can be logical if you expect no real opposition. One of the main reasons why the Winter War went the way it did for its first month was that only one of the two armies had come to fight - the Soviet leadership and many of the Red Army soldiers expected to do a brief show of force, followed by a parade march to Helsinki and the Swedish border while the Finns were surrendering left and right. There were those who knew that it would not be all that easy, but Stalin did not listen to them, and most had been purged or were too afraid of the gulag (or worse) to speak their mind anyway.

So, after the whole operation had been started wrong, it had to be reorganized with considerable effort for a new offensive in 1940, to salvage something out of the war. Now the Soviets were actually being serious. The renewed offensive was more competently put together and led, and started pushing the Finns back in February-March. Without the risk of Western intervention, it probably would have been curtains down for Finnish independence. But here Stalin showed his careful side by accepting a peace with what really was minimal concessions by the Finns, after the humiliation the poor performance of the Red Army had caused to the USSR and Stalin personally, to avoid the local conflict from escalating into a general war against the British and the French (and possibly others, like Norway and Sweden) in the whole Nordic area.
 
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Sending a million guys in and losing 15% of them suggests that he put quite a lot into that fight. Sure, the entire Red Army didn't go in, but I don't think attacking Finland in December is exactly "logical and careful".

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To add what DrakonFin said, it’s also important to remember that Stalin had secured German non-interference before he started any actions in Eastern Europe. He wouldn’t acted against Finland if he hadn’t been sure that Germany would accept his actions.

There’s also the fact that the Finnish army was in a very bad shape in the late-1930’s due to constant cuts to defence spending. The country had only few dozen tanks, weak air forces and basically no anti-tank weaponry. Just by looking at numbers, it was very easy to underestimate Finnish chances to defend their country.
 
They might take a leading role in later phases of European federalism and have a commanding position in its common economy, with the world looking to its leaders for their stance on immigration from former protectorates in the Middle East.
 
I don't believe Germany can win WWI. But they can "win".
In truth the best the Germans can hope for, even with the US pulling back would be a negotiated peace that would cede chunks of France to Germany, hand over some slightly less shitty French colonies and an acceptance of B-L
Without US loans, the Land War would grind to a halt as all European enonomies pretty much collapse. Britain would still be in the best condition although it would be at the cost of greater independence for some of the colonies, but still in a much worse state than OTL.
As for beyond that, Pax Germania in central and Eastern Europe and Pax Britania on the seas.
Expect a cold war between Britain and Germany.
 
Completely agreed with all of this; of course, integrating millions of Arabs into the French state isn't something that will be easy. Thus, could we eventually see France engage in large-scale deportations and whatnot in Algeria--possibly after France itself becomes a right-wing dictatorship--in this TL?

I think that France will try integration. France won in OTL, winning make you less likely to change yourself, with the loss of pretty much their entire colonial empire outside Algeria and the Americas (which I think Germany will not take), France have to focus on what's left, and here I think they will focus on making the Algerians into Frenchmen. But also push a industrialisation in Algeria (as the area are safer from German arracks). Whether France will be successful will be the question, but I have a hard time seeing them do worse than in OTL.

Yeah, unless Russia establishes a strong alliance with Britain and the U.S., I just don't see them having what it takes to challenge Germany--especially if Germany succeeds in permanently keeping Ukraine detached from Russia.

Uk may seek a alliance with Russia, but I think USA will stay far out of it. There's little interest for USA to weaken Germany, and Russia will be likely to be pretty unpleasant.

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greed.

Also, though, I wonder if Germany will try pitting Russia against the British in Central Asia in this TL; after all, Russo-British tensions in Central Asia mean that Russia and Britain can't jointly conspire against Germany!

Germany will do it to split UK and Russia, but I think UK will be too focused on weaken Germany and its continental dominance. Of course Britain suffer from the fact, that there's two clock which are counting down (the rise of Labour and decolonisations).
 
I don't believe Germany can win WWI. But they can "win".
In truth the best the Germans can hope for, even with the US pulling back would be a negotiated peace that would cede chunks of France to Germany, hand over some slightly less shitty French colonies and an acceptance of B-L
Without US loans, the Land War would grind to a halt as all European enonomies pretty much collapse. Britain would still be in the best condition although it would be at the cost of greater independence for some of the colonies, but still in a much worse state than OTL.
As for beyond that, Pax Germania in central and Eastern Europe and Pax Britania on the seas.
Expect a cold war between Britain and Germany.

No Germany can WIN, if they win WWI, Russia will be pushed 1000 kilometers away from the German border, replaced with several smaller states which aren't a threat to Germany, France are out of the game, and Germany can set up a European economic community, which give markets Germany can export to. While the colonial empire they will receive will be borderline worthless for the German state, it will give the German industru new markets.
 
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