How much does France loose in a CP victory?

Depends on if it's a loss in a short war, which results in some minor border corrections and a bit of money but reverts back to the pre war order pretty quickly, or a 1918/19 loss where empires are made and unmade.
 
Is them loosing ALL colonies ASB? Perhaps Germany would want to kick down France so hard that it completely ceases to be a great power?
By the end of thr war everyone knew that colonies were just vast money pits. I don't think the Germans would want them.. Influence yes, but outright want? Not so much.

Oil wont be a problem since they won and thr ottomans won. Italy obviously didn't choose wisely . Germany will get favorable status with the ottomans. In France proper, little change as others have said . Rest of Lorraine
 
Who is going to stop them?

Take a look at the very moderate September Program.
I assume you were sarcastic with the 'moderate' there? :)

Anyway, the September program represents a compilation of input from various sources about possible war goals they thought of importance. It is a wish-list, partly generated by amateurs from outside the government, that had not yet been processed into a serious end product. In other words, the end result the German government would have gone for in case of a victory would have probably been more modest.

Now, to come to the point: Did the September program have aspirations of taking over the entire French colonial empire? It after all represents the most ambitious and imperialistic document we have on the war aims of Germany. It is a document written when a quick, decisive victory over France looked possible.
The answer is of course that it did not. The September Program war aims for Africa focused on the Mittelafrika idea, which would have left West Africa and North Africa in French hands.

It follows that the demands a victorious Germany would have sought to enforce in a hypothetical peace treaty wouldn't have included it either.
 
Would it be possible for former French colonies to get independence? Say a lot of these colonies are money drains, yet Germany still wants to keep France weak. So they carve out a bunch or independent states under German and/or Ottoman influence. Can that happen?
 
Would it be possible for former French colonies to get independence? Say a lot of these colonies are money drains, yet Germany still wants to keep France weak. So they carve out a bunch or independent states under German and/or Ottoman influence. Can that happen?

Wouldn't that encourage independence movements in their own colonies as well, though?
 
Who is going to stop them?

Take a look at the very moderate September Program.

France was going to be charged a 10 billion mark indemnity and to assume 33 billion in German debt

Then look at the plans for Belgium and the Netherlands. Even neutrals were to be put under the German heel.

And how are the British going to stop them? Britain needed the help of France, Russia , Italy and the US to win the war

How is she prevailing with France and Russia defeated and Italy either defeated or allied to Germany?

The idea that Britain can't lose because her fleet will protect her fails the most cursory of examinations. The British cabinet understood and that's why they went to war- not for Belgium but to keep their Empire
Why would Germany want France's colonies as they're money sinks, are restive with French citizens sprinkled through them at best or borderline rebellious at worst? I could see them taking the French Congo/possibly parts of Equatorial Africa to lump in with Kameroon but why bother with the predominant desert of French West Africa or the issues Indochina? Most Germans are not going to settle in these new properties and the war may also reveal how defenseless colonies are so why spread yourself thin defensively? European property is far more worthwhile and tying all of Europe to you economically removes the need to waste capital on territory where the population is unlikely to accept your presence in perpetuity. Likewise, taking all French territory only serves to piss off the UK encouraging them to counter you at every turn while engendering fear in your Allies and potential Allies as a powerful threat to their independence.
 
Also depends on when this crushing defeat is inflicted, as mentioned the longer the war drags on the more the victorious side would want
 
Lets say it ends around or a little later than it did otl

Then Germany has even less incentive to scope up large areas of unprofitable and hard to pin down territories and completely alienate any potential peaceful commercial partners. She's already scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as manpower is concerns, with an economy awash in triple-booked funney money, alongside a whole chunk of Territory in the east that's slipping into anarchy and she's stripping of seed corn to feed the home front. In order to consolidate her gains and make them useful, they can't afford to have a continent of bleeding ulsers alongside France just waiting for the second her guard slips, to say nothing of the Red giant looking in the east.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that her Austrian ally is collapsing into a mess. Bulgaria and the Ottomans? They're in better shape in terms of core stability. But propping up Vienna for these critical early years is going to be a big load reguardless
 
Then Germany has even less incentive to scope up large areas of unprofitable and hard to pin down territories and completely alienate any potential peaceful commercial partners. She's already scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as manpower is concerns, with an economy awash in triple-booked funney money, alongside a whole chunk of Territory in the east that's slipping into anarchy and she's stripping of seed corn to feed the home front. In order to consolidate her gains and make them useful, they can't afford to have a continent of bleeding ulsers alongside France just waiting for the second her guard slips, to say nothing of the Red giant looking in the east.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that her Austrian ally is collapsing into a mess. Bulgaria and the Ottomans? They're in better shape in terms of core stability. But propping up Vienna for these critical early years is going to be a big load reguardless
Huh. So, what would be the best time for the war to end that leaves Germany as strong as possible and France as weak as possible?
 
Huh. So, what would be the best time for the war to end that leaves Germany as strong as possible and France as weak as possible?

Those two aren't the same question. Are you wanting to prioritize what puts Germany in the post position to thrive, or strips France of the most power, because Germany actually benefits quite a bit from France being stable, mid ranged in strength, and reconciled to Berlin's Hegemony.
 
Those two aren't the same question. Are you wanting to prioritize what puts Germany in the post position to thrive, or strips France of the most power, because Germany actually benefits quite a bit from France being stable, mid ranged in strength, and reconciled to Berlin's Hegemony.
Well, I want a situation where Germany can impose it's will on France in basically any way they please and force any kind of treaty on them they want.
 
Well, I want a situation where Germany can impose it's will on France in basically any way they please and force any kind of treaty on them they want.

Can enforce any terms they want but actually imposing a good long term treaty for Germany, or pushing forward the most punative possible terms? Again, the distinction is important, as Germany can be crippling on France, but only at the cost of tieing herself down and not fundimentally solving the problem of having hostile powers on both sides
 
Well, I want a situation where Germany can impose it's will on France in basically any way they please and force any kind of treaty on them they want.

Germany needs to be less busy elsewhere, then.

Pre-war PoD: Austria gets its shit together somewhat, so that when the war goes down and the Russians attack, the A-H armies are able to repel the attacks without requiring a bailout from Germany. This might well be enough for the Italians to stay out of the fight, which further helps the Austrians - one less front to bleed men, one more neutral to buy war supplies off.

Germany is able to keep full pressure on France, so when the advances bog down and trench warfare opens up, more French territory is under German occupation, leaving the French war machine a bit weaker. Slightly stronger Germany + slightly weaker France + neutral Italy + Austria fighting evenly with Russia = France is ground down before the Hapsburg or Ottoman Empires, and the Germans retain the strength to actually enforce terms, since they don't need to divert forces to prop up their allies.

War could end anywhere from late 1916 to early 1918.
 
Hmm. I see. Though really, I would just like France to be weakened enough for its north african territory to be ripped away

Yah... likely not happening without some solid Pre-War PODs that have Italy in a better position economically/militarily and hostile enough to France to go along with the CP (which likely involves France not signing off for an attack on Libya and thus likely no Balkan Wars,which has a cascading hoard of butterflies). Those are France's prized possessions and on the periphery of German interests, so the only way you'll get them pryed out from under France is if Italy is involved,since North Africa is her dream colonies.
 
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