How long would an American-Nazi Cold War last?

The problem with the Nazi economic system is that it was a war economy.

The main problem is that the Nazis would be too busy screaming from the rooftops that they would year zero all of Europe and rubbing in everyones faces what happened to russia to make allies abroad, with its only "allies" being on the continent too afraid of Germany going "haha I lied I am going to exterminate you all!"

Nazi Germany would be likely to collapse in civil war and we end up with Europe being set back a full 500 years by hitler.
 
the fall of Saudi Arabia is predicted frequently over past decades? my prediction on durability of Nazi regime would be based on how much resources they could gather, or discover under their feet? (for instance there is huge tungsten mine and oil reserves under Austria, huge oilfield in Netherlands, leaving aside USSR)
 
The first few years after 1945, the feeling "the USSR are our allies" wasn't suddenly dead. Only in 1948, with the Berlin blockade, it went bad.
The Soviets could not hit the US in any meaningful capacity until the late fifties, even during the Cuban Missile Crisis, America would have won a nuclear war with the Soviets.
In order:

1) The United States wasn't at war with the Soviets, and public opinion was strongly pro-Soviet in the immediate aftermath of the Nazi surrender. They were comrades in arms, fellows who helped crush Hitler, they were the good guys! By the time relations had deteriorated far enough to consider an attack, the Soviets had the ability to hit back, something the Germans could never do to the US.
2) If a disaster at Dunkirk ended up causing Churchill's government to fall and a pro-peace faction to take over, and the Germans still declare war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, the United States is perfectly capable of cracking Fortress Europe open. They'll funnel arms to the remnant Soviet Union (and ensure that plenty go to partisan's in occupied territories) to keep the Germans tied down, try to strongarm the British back into the war, and crush Japan first while sniping off the easier German targets - North Africa, Norway, and other areas away from the German heartland.
These also provide aircraft basing points for the Americans to bomb German industry, army bases, naval docks, or really anything they feel like. Losses will be high, but the Americans can outproduce Germany even if the British never join back in.
3) The moment the Germans break out the chemical and biological warfare against the British Isles, Operation Vegetarian goes into effect and Germany suffers. Millions expected dead due to anthrax infection, even before starvation from lost livestock kicks in. The United States is outside Germany's ability to meaningfully hit (a few submarine attacks on ports isn't meaningful) and so this escalation has a clear loser, and it isn't the Anglo-Americans.
1) See above, and again, THIS ISNT A COLD WAR IF THE US AND THE RIECH ARE AT WAR! A Cold War people, not a warm war, not a room temperature war, a Cold War.
2) Why exactly would the Reich still declare war on the US? That makes little sense, and also, without Britian as an unsinkable aircraft carrier, how exactly are they going to be invading Europe?
3)Again, why is Britian getting involved, they are going to get hit with something just as bad or worse than the Blitz. They just signed a peace treaty a few years before. It isn’t about the ability to win, it’s about wether you are willing to take Soviet or Chinese level casualties trying to force your way into Europe. Americans don’t like it when they lose just a few thousand soldiers. Is the public really going to accept a missing generation of fathers, sons and brothers?
 
The Soviets could not hit the US in any meaningful capacity until the late fifties, even during the Cuban Missile Crisis, America would have won a nuclear war with the Soviets.

But the US didn't know exactly what the SU was able doing. They had German scientists too, as the joke went. AND the Soviets could have decided to strike against western Europe.
 
But the US didn't know exactly what the SU was able doing. They had German scientists too, as the joke went. AND the Soviets could have decided to strike against western Europe.
The point was that what pertains IOTL also is true ITTL. The Nazis can strike against Britain and the Soviets ITTL, there isn’t much of a difference in why we wouldn’t go to war, it isn’t about winning, it’s about losing fifty million lives trying to win.
 

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The German system was centered on Hitler, which means when Hitler dies the system collapses unless Hitler plans a peaceful transfer of power before his death (which is very doubtful). The Soviet Union could survive the death of Stalin because the system was build around a vast bureaucracy, not Stalin. The only way Nazi germany could survive to this day is with it being lead by Strasser since he opposed the idea of Fuhrerprinzip
 
Wouldn't have been that much of a cold war.

The Soviets were much more expansionist and supported ideological allies throughout the world. The Nazis were evil, but in this scenario they have their lebensraum and they aren't going to care enough to prop up sympathetic factions halfway around the world. They'd largely ignore us.

Their racist and antisemitic views would just be the West's own prejudices on steroids. Sterilization of "unfit" people was accepted, and even considered progressive, in the US. Their crimes against humanity were concentrated more heavily on the eastern front which would allow them to blame the defeated Soviets.
 
I don’t think the Nazi regime was entirely suicidal, but the US will definitely have the clear advantage, the Reich’s ideology isn’t that compatible outside of Europe, so probably very few proxy wars.
The Reich's ideology doesn't need to compatible due to realpolitik. Soviets and Americans backed or allied with many regimes which weren't ideological compatible. There no reason why Germany wouldn't support anti-western governments and rebel groups in the third world.
 
Assuming this is a Cold War, somewhat analogous to OTL. All the stuff about "Jewish Science" aside, once the Allies demonstrate that an atom bomb small enough to fit on a four engine bomber is possible, Germany can build their own and will. Even if you have a period where the USA has a major lead in nukes, like OTL, once the "bad guys" develop the ability to vaporize even a few US cities the calculus changes. The ensuing Cold War then lasts until the Nazi regime collapses internally, or the Nazi leaders go all Klingon "it is a good day to die" either believing they have a military advantage or as a desperation move if they see collapse staring them in the face. The major difference between the USSR and Nazi Germany is that while the USSR had an ideology that was universalist in nature ("workers of the world unite") and exportable, Nazi ideology holds no attraction for most of the rest of the world. Don't forget the folks in Eastern Europe who cooperated with the Nazis, once Generalplan Ost was put in to effect, were just more Untermenschen to be disposed of or enslaved, so if you aren't Aryan cooperating with the Nazis for temporary gain is not a good move.

There are plenty of competent technocrats like Speer in Germany, the question is over the long run will they be given enough authority over economic matters to keep the system going. Per se Nazi ideology is less inherently economically nuts than communist ideology. Are the ideologues and fighting factions going to keep messing up the economy after "victory", maybe yes and maybe no. Once you get to "MAD", the situation is stable unless one side or the other collapses internally, a spark is igniting accidentally, or one side goes Klingon for one reason or another. While a Reich with a shambolic economy is certainly very possible, it is not inevitable. Had the USSR not had this problem, we'd have the Cold War going on today. The same applies, sadly, to the Nazis.
 
Probably until the Nazis could develop sea craft capable of invading America. They would want the world including a the America’s even if it’s through puppet states
 
Wouldn't have been that much of a cold war.

The Soviets were much more expansionist and supported ideological allies throughout the world. The Nazis were evil, but in this scenario they have their lebensraum and they aren't going to care enough to prop up sympathetic factions halfway around the world. They'd largely ignore us.

Their racist and antisemitic views would just be the West's own prejudices on steroids. Sterilization of "unfit" people was accepted, and even considered progressive, in the US. Their crimes against humanity were concentrated more heavily on the eastern front which would allow them to blame the defeated Soviets.

Actually, I think, that, in this scenario, the USA would be more liberal. Expect the racist Southerners to be targeted as Nazi sympathisers.
 
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Unlike the Soviet Union,the Nazi economic system wasn't really ingrained in the ideology. It could be changed when necessary
Correct, in the Nazi state it was the other way around. If reality didn't match up with party ideology then reality was wrong, and party ideology won out. In other words, the Nazi economic system was WORSE than the Soviet one, since there was actually some room for reform in the latter. In the Nazi system it doesn't matter what reality says, because the ideology defines so much.

Frankly, the Nazi party makes every single upper level Soviet leader look like a bastion of reasonability and sanity. Expecting them to do a better job is silly.

Anyhoo, I'd expect anytime between 1960 and 1980. The Nazis will survive a Cold War through at least Hitler's death. That much is near certain so long as the Allies don't decide to blast Central Europe out of existence, which IMO they wouldn't. There would always be the possibility, but given the massive Allied lead on nuclear weapons I wouldn't anticipate such a strike except to prevent the Nazis from attaining their own weapons.

Internally the Nazi state would be rife with infighting and inefficiencies which make North Korea look like a kumbaya happy land. The old powers get taken apart, with party apparatuses replacing things like the army, and everything inside the state being indistinguishable with said party. Then Hitler dies and one of two things happen. Either a party leader manages to secure power inside the state, in which case they limp along for another ten years, or civil war breaks out as various groups within the party fight to take control. Given that this is a group which will routinely murder millions of people every year do not expect this civil war to be pretty.

Compounding this however, by this point the number of slaves to be worked to death has begun to run out, meaning that Nazi Germany must continually expand who they are murdering, and with a civil war on the lines get moved even further. End result, the state falls apart in the late '50s to mid-60s, leaving behind a broken Europe and depopulated East.
 
It does seem to be a common theme in history that slave based empires must be expansionist empires. When the economy is dependent on people you can work literally to death, you always need fresh bodies for the mill.
 
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