How long does a Nagasaki-Amsterdam Clipper route take?

as title says.
How long does a pre-steamship design ship (clipper, etc) take to go from Nagasaki, Japan to Amsterdam, the Netherlands? About 2 years for a one-way journey says my friend, and I was wondering if that assertion was valid. We are assuming that it will go west from Japan. We are also assuming that it takes a minimal amount of stops along the journey.
 
Looking at the Great Tea Race of 1866 which were from Fuzhou to London ... some 3½ months if going as fast as possible ... 4-5 months sounds more reasonable, given the extra travel time (Nagasaki is further northeast) and less breakneck rushing
 
as title says.
How long does a pre-steamship design ship (clipper, etc) take to go from Nagasaki, Japan to Amsterdam, the Netherlands? About 2 years for a one-way journey says my friend, and I was wondering if that assertion was valid. We are assuming that it will go west from Japan. We are also assuming that it takes a minimal amount of stops along the journey.
I just checked some random internet sites, which told me that in the 17th century it took 8 months to go from Amsterdam to Batavia (Jakarta) and 1 month to go from Batavia to Decima. The return voyage could be a bit longer because of different currents and winds, but I guess only a couple of months, so I would say roughly a year. This was in the 17th century. I assume that in the 19th century the trip would be a lot quicker.
 
Looking at the Great Tea Race of 1866 which were from Fuzhou to London ... some 3½ months if going as fast as possible ... 4-5 months sounds more reasonable, given the extra travel time (Nagasaki is further northeast) and less breakneck rushing

for what my friend says, if a ship was caught at a bad time during the monsoon season they may be forced to wait another 6 months to "catch the good wind". Was this not an issue for the clippers? or did the ships at this rate simply have good timing on their side?
 
4-5 months + 6 months (highly pissimistic, and no clue if its even plausible to have it at that amount) still doesn't get anywhere near 2 years ... at least not going from the calender i use :p
 
Clipper ships are actually faster than today's cargo ships. They were abandoned in favor of steamships because of reliability and cargo space. If you want to sail a shipment halfway around the world a clipper ship is still the fastest way to do it.
 
Clipper ships are actually faster than today's cargo ships. They were abandoned in favor of steamships because of reliability and cargo space. If you want to sail a shipment halfway around the world a clipper ship is still the fastest way to do it.

hmm okay then. If so, what is a normal cargo ship used by the Dutch during the 18th century? and how fast would it take?
 
Clipper ships are actually faster than today's cargo ships. They were abandoned in favor of steamships because of reliability and cargo space. If you want to sail a shipment halfway around the world a clipper ship is still the fastest way to do it.

Only by choice. The fastest clippers averaged 14 to 17 knots with the fastest recorded being just over 20 knots. Modern cargo ships can do 25 knots but typically sail at a more economical 20 knots. Some cargo lines have adopted "super-slow steaming" which reduces the speed of their ships to 12 knots and results in even greater fuel savings.

Without worrying about cost and needing to get something around the world as fast as possible by sea, a modern cargo ship would get there well before any sailing ship. Even if both sailed at exactly the same speed, the modern ship would get there quicker because it does not have to sail the extra distance that a sailing ship would require when tacking and otherwise conforming to the wind.
 
hmm okay then. If so, what is a normal cargo ship used by the Dutch during the 18th century? and how fast would it take?

bump bump. better yet, what is a "commonplace" ship used by the VOC during the late 18th century? would it be fast enough to reach Nagasaki from Holland in 1 year?
 
bump bump. better yet, what is a "commonplace" ship used by the VOC during the late 18th century? would it be fast enough to reach Nagasaki from Holland in 1 year?

I am uncertain about what ships the VOC used in the 18th centry. I do know that they could reach Nagasaki from Holland winthin a year the century before (actualy they could do it in 9 months).
 
Clipper ships are actually faster than today's cargo ships. They were abandoned in favor of steamships because of reliability and cargo space. If you want to sail a shipment halfway around the world a clipper ship is still the fastest way to do it.
Or a jet plane. (I'm not sure if that counts as "sailing", but...)
 
I guess the dutch were using mainly the "common" East Indiaman.
see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiaman

Too bad there wasn't a corporate design. And on first glimpse I couldn't find a typical East Indiaman's travelling speed.
They varied in their cargo hauling capacity from ~400 to ~1500 tons.
As the Dutch were only allowed to trade via a single ship per year with their foothold on the Japanese Islands I would say they usually would take the biggest ship they could find/afford/spare.
But there might be faster frigates for example to get to the far east if in a hurry. If your envisioned mission is playin a TL close to OTL and not most urgent your messenger will most likely travel by a fast ship to Batavia and then switch to the East Indiaman to go to Nagasaki.
 
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