How long can the Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy last?

Or essentially, how much can be retained?
Could the Lombards be coopted?
Impact on Slavic migration into Illyria?
Etc etc etc!
 
Justinan would need to be distracted with a crisis in the east, say a heating up on the Persian boarder.
 

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I would say up until the time the Franks decide to "help" the papacy under Pepin and Charlemagne - then welcome the Ostrogoth to the Carolinian Empire.
 
considering Emperor Justinian had an alliance with them up until the point of Amalasuintha death let's say she lives and she hands over the kingdom to Justinian
with little to no problems making Justinian King of the ostrogoths and avoiding the bloody Affair of the gothic Wars.

37 years after Justine's death the line of Justinian is dead and they could probably separate without any problems considering the byzantines were having a fun time Civil War and ostrogoth Italy would probably be pretty autonomous at this point having not been brutally subjugated by the byzantines

basically Justinian would be emperor of Byzantium and King of the ostrogoths so the kingdom of the ostrogoths would remain a thing but only in name until after the line of Justinian ended
 
Not much there is a trend that the Eastern barrberians ie the goths ,burgondians , vandals etc did not last .

There are many reasons one of them was that they where much more noamdic (ie semi nomadic) that their western counterparts since herding to them was much more prevelant the trendils of civilization where weaker that is why most of them adapted quickly to costums of where they conquered due to this and more none of these states survived in the long run .
If justinian does not kill It the system could rot or the Frank's invade them .
 
Or essentially, how much can be retained?
Depends is this a victorious Ostrogothic kingdom? Perhaps one who never got involved in a Byzantine-Ostrogothic war? Or maybe a Ostrogothic rump state subject of Byzantinium?

Every scenario is possible. Though some are more likely than others. The majority view on this forum seems to be that Byzantine conquest of Italy is the most probable scenario. Though it is possible that the Ostrogoth decisively defeat the Byzantines. Perhaps wiping out their army.
Could the Lombards be coopted?
Why not? What is more uncertain is what form this co-option takes. Though would the Ostrogoths even want to accept the Lombard people into Italy? Where not the Ostrogoths at this time, soon to be Italians with only a hint of their Gothic past? They might prefer to support them in Pannonia or perhaps in Illyria.
Impact on Slavic migration into Illyria?
Etc etc etc!
The Ostrogothic kingdom might face the same problem that Byzantium did, being occupied somewhere else. If the kingdom is not preoccupied somewhere else then i think they would be able to hold it. Though Illyria will likely face raids, and the Ostrogoths may be forced to pay tribute.
 
I would say up until the time the Franks decide to "help" the papacy under Pepin and Charlemagne - then welcome the Ostrogoth to the Carolinian Empire.
If it ever happens ATL.
considering Emperor Justinian had an alliance with them up until the point of Amalasuintha death let's say she lives and she hands over the kingdom to Justinian
with little to no problems making Justinian King of the ostrogoths and avoiding the bloody Affair of the gothic Wars.
Maybe it would be better for the Ostrogothic kingdom had Amalsuntha's son lived longer and preferably had heirs of his own. During which time the Ostrogoths would more closely integrate and align with the Italian elite. Or solidify their hold on Italy, though some kind of merger between the Ostrogoths and Italian were likely (and ongoing).
37 years after Justine's death the line of Justinian is dead and they could probably separate without any problems considering the byzantines were having a fun time Civil War and ostrogoth Italy would probably be pretty autonomous at this point having not been brutally subjugated by the byzantines

basically Justinian would be emperor of Byzantium and King of the ostrogoths so the kingdom of the ostrogoths would remain a thing but only in name until after the line of Justinian ended
Well if the Ostrogothic kingdom remains a polity within Byzantium then this may be possible.
Not much there is a trend that the Eastern barrberians ie the goths ,burgondians , vandals etc did not last .

There are many reasons one of them was that they where much more noamdic (ie semi nomadic) that their western counterparts since herding to them was much more prevelant the trendils of civilization where weaker that is why most of them adapted quickly to costums of where they conquered due to this and more none of these states survived in the long run .
If justinian does not kill It the system could rot or the Frank's invade them .
The Visigoths of Iberia integrated into the post-Roman society there. Same goes for the Burgundians who first integrated into the post-Roman society, and later into the Frankish dominion.
 
Or essentially, how much can be retained?
Could the Lombards be coopted?
Impact on Slavic migration into Illyria?
Etc etc etc!
My personal opinion is that, given a peaceful relationship with Eastern Romans, they'll go the same way as the Visigoths*.
About the Lombards, I remember reading an ATL in which they settled in Illyria with permission from Ravenna and later mixed with Slavs (OTL's Bosnja ended up being called Lombardija.) as these moved in, unfortunately it's in Italian. (•︵•,)

*Edit: Of course, I don't mean invaded by an alt-Caliphate.
 
honestly if they can peacefully break away from Byzantium and maintain good relations with them I wonder if a unified Italy that the byzantines haven't spent a fortune trying to maintain under their control and before that conquered how different would the 6th Century be

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Assuming that Justinian either dies or decides to focus his energy on re-conquering Hispania, Ostrogothic Italy is in a good place. It's situated in the middle of the Mediterranean. The avoidance of devastation from the Gothic Wars and the heavy taxation from Constantinople will make the peninsula rich. Roman institutions and infrastructure would not only remain intact but prosper provided that subsequent Ostrogothic rulers continue Theodoric's policies. Pannonia and Illyria would remain part of the Italian cultural and linguistic sphere, at least until the Slavs and Avars make their debut.
 
Rather than defeating the Byzantines altogether could there just be a less successful attack? The aim after all isn't keeping the entire borders as they were but what the minimum requirements to survive are.
 
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