How likely is it for there to be a Queen regnant ?

No European house managed to maintain an unbroken male-line father-to-son succession from the middle ages, even when counting the brother-to-brother successions. The ones who did upheld the male-line succession did it by bringing in cousins (Capetians, Savoy, Wittelsbach).
 
No European house managed to maintain an unbroken male-line father-to-son succession from the middle ages, even when counting the brother-to-brother successions. The ones who did upheld the male-line succession did it by bringing in cousins (Capetians, Savoy, Wittelsbach).

Alright interesting, I take it such a thing would be highly unlikely in England, especially without the precedent of tanistry
 
No European house managed to maintain an unbroken male-line father-to-son succession from the middle ages, even when counting the brother-to-brother successions. The ones who did upheld the male-line succession did it by bringing in cousins (Capetians, Savoy, Wittelsbach).

The Hohenzollerns came close, just one succession of an uncle by a nephew during the time they ruled Brandenburg/Prussia/Germany. The Ottomans didn't have to resort to distant relatives either, but that's not a fair comparison.
 
The Hohenzollerns came close, just one succession of an uncle by a nephew during the time they ruled Brandenburg/Prussia/Germany. The Ottomans didn't have to resort to distant relatives either, but that's not a fair comparison.

It depends whether you consider Brandenburg or Prussia as the main country. The succession of the Hohenzollern in Prussia did include a transfer from the junior line to the senior one, but arguably Brandenburg was more important, as one of the HRE electorates. As for the Ottomans, all polygamy/concubine system/adoption families are sure difficult to compare to christian western families.
 
I was counting Brandenburg as the main line. The uncle-nephew transition was Frederick the Great to Frederick William II.
 
True, not to mention large families: The Austrian Hapsburgs were almost always able to "dig" somebody up while the Spanish seemed to have a problem having healthy boys. A direct descent son to son isn't as rare as it seems- it didn't happen in England because of the Wars of the Roses though...not really down to Richard and Berengaria.


And even then it could easily not have happened.

Henry VIII had two younger brothers who died as infants. Had either of them lived and had a son, I can easily imagine Henry passing over his daughters in favour of their uncle and male cousin in which case England could well have the Salic Law to this day.
 
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And even then it could easily not have happened.

Henry VIII had two younger brothers who dies as Infants. Had either of them lived and had a son, I can easily imagine Henry passing over his daughters in favour of their uncle and male cousin in which case England could well have the Salic Law to this day.

Interesting, which would well undermine their attempt to continue claiming the throne of France.
 
Stephen and Henry II already establishes that woman had dynastic rights, therefore I find it was almost inevitable that there was a Queen Regnant.
 
Though they both took the throne through their mother, not for.

They'd accept that, at a pinch. They'd also accept a husband ruling in right of his wife, if he was persona grata - as unfortunately Matilda's wasn't.

A Queen Regnant would be accepted if and only if no credible male candidate was available. It took Elizabeth Tudor to break that attitude.
 
They'd accept that, at a pinch. They'd also accept a husband ruling in right of his wife, if he was persona grata - as unfortunately Matilda's wasn't.

A Queen Regnant would be accepted if and only if no credible male candidate was available. It took Elizabeth Tudor to break that attitude.
Very true and there's never a guarantee such a figure could come about with those exact same circumstances
 
Though they both took the throne through their mother, not for.
Yeah but most dynasties that never had a queen regnant didn't grant any dynastic rights to women or only if all males in dynasty were extinct. My argument is it is almost inevitable slippery slope from recognizing that woman could pass dynastic rights to a woman ruling in her own right.
 
Yeah but most dynasties that never had a queen regnant didn't grant any dynastic rights to women or only if all males in dynasty were extinct. My argument is it is almost inevitable slippery slope from recognizing that woman could pass dynastic rights to a woman ruling in her own right.
Very true would be fascinating to see such a thing potentially happeb in France as well
 
My argument is it is almost inevitable slippery slope from recognizing that woman could pass dynastic rights to a woman ruling in her own right.
In countries following tanistry (Pictland was one), the succession went through females, but they never became queen regnant.
 
Yeah, but that is a quasi electoral, different set of rules, not one based on blood right alone, and I guess that far back also the kings will.
 
In countries following tanistry (Pictland was one), the succession went through females, but they never became queen regnant.

Yeah, but that is a quasi electoral, different set of rules, not one based on blood right alone, and I guess that far back also the kings will.

Hmm, isn't tanistry more a case of eldest member of those (descended from*) the Royal Dynasty?

* ie sons of "princesses" count but not daughters.
 
Very true would be fascinating to see such a thing potentially happeb in France as well

The succession system was discussed in 1328, when Charles IV died without sons, but with two daughters, three nieces and a grandnephew. If women could transmit their rights, this grandnephew (Philip of Burgundy) was the heir. Problem was, he was not the senior genealogical descendant of Philip the Fair, as he was a grandson to Philip V. The potential sons of his cousin once removed, Jeanne the wife of the Count of Evreux, could lay a claim in his later reign. Big potential for civil war, so the French court decided to support the nearest male heir, Charles of Valois, as a way of avoiding any later contestations. But a War of the Lilies could make a good TL.
 
If they kill each other in a most gruesome manner, he could pick up the crown as a savior and union champion ! Crecy being a Bosworth+++
 
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