how horrifying is this map?

[Sir Coloniser]

this is the ethnic map of South Africa in a scenario I've been working on where Churchill wins the 1945 election. south west africa is excluded
key:
orange = black
gun grey = asian
blue = coloured
Biege = white
the year is 1959
how horrifying is this map?

 

[ahmedali]

Churchill's victory in 1945 is very difficult because the British are tired of the conservatives because they have been ruling continuously since 1935.

You need to end the war a year or two early to give the Tories time to organize their campaigns

 

[Sir Coloniser]

Churchill's victory in 1945 is very difficult because the British are tired of the conservatives because they have been ruling continuously since 1935.

You need to end the war a year or two early to give the Tories time to organize their campaigns

basically Labour goes hard left far earlier to such a degree it becomes officially republican
it goes down like a lead balloon

 

[ahmedali]

basically Labour goes hard left far earlier to such a degree it becomes officially republican
it goes down like a lead balloon

The Labor Party, however radical, never attempted to abolish the monarchy

George V is respected by the Labor Party in particular because he facilitated their accession to power

If he shows himself to be a Republican, a moderate party will defect from him

 

[Sir Coloniser]

The Labor Party, however radical, never attempted to abolish the monarchy

George V is respected by the Labor Party in particular because he facilitated their accession to power

If he shows himself to be a Republican, a moderate party will defect from him

honestly considering militant went outright Trotskyite OTL, it's not as big a leap as you might think

 

[ahmedali]

honestly considering militant went outright Trotskyite OTL, it's not as big a leap as you might think

True, but he will not commit political suicide

If the Labor Party made itself a republic, it would be outlawed or lose its popular support

(The period from 1919 to 1936 is the height of the monarchy’s popularity and increased when George V accepted the Labor Party’s assumption of power)

 

[David Flin]

honestly considering militant went outright Trotskyite OTL, it's not as big a leap as you might think

Well, yes, but Militant was launched in 1964.

The situation in 1964 was not the same as the situation in the inter-war period.

If you're going to use inter-war Labour party as a divergence, you really need to map out how the various splits would manifest.

 

[Anarch King of Dipsodes]

this is the ethnic map of South Africa....

What does "ethnic map" mean? Does the color of a district represent

• the predominant (over 50%) ethnic group?
• the predominant (largest % but no minimum) ethnic group?
• the only ethnic group? (i.e. following a period of population exchanges)
• the ethnic group having political control?

in a scenario I've been working on where Churchill wins the 1945 election. south west africa is excluded
key:
orange = black
gun grey = asian
blue = coloured
Bague = white

The colors I see are orange, yellow, blue, and light green. What is "Bague"?

the year is 1959
how horrifying is this map?

That depends on what it actually represents.

 

[SealTheRealDeal]

basically Labour goes hard left far earlier to such a degree it becomes officially republican
it goes down like a lead balloon

What happened to Attlee to facilitate that about-face?

 

[Rufus]

Those colors are weird. What is ‘bague’ supposed to be? And what does yellow represent, since it’s not mentioned in the legend? I also see no ‘gun grey’ (?) anywhere. I’m very confused lol.

 

[Enigmajones]

Is bague supposed to be beige? That's what I think at least.

 

[Warthog]

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this is the ethnic map of South Africa in a scenario I've been working on where Churchill wins the 1945 election. south west africa is excluded
key:
orange = black
gun grey = asian
blue = coloured
Bague = white
the year is 1959
how horrifying is this map?

Well you've expanded some Bantustans and abolished others but it is as unrealistic and unsustainable as Verwoerds 🤷‍♂️

 

[Sir Coloniser]

Well you've expanded some Bantustans and abolished others but it is as unrealistic and unsustainable as Verwoerds

this TL's South Africa utilises heavy amounts of deportation and forced relocations

 

[Sir Coloniser]

What does "ethnic map" mean? Does the color of a district represent

• the predominant (over 50%) ethnic group?
• the predominant (largest % but no minimum) ethnic group?
• the only ethnic group? (i.e. following a period of population exchanges)
• the ethnic group having political control?

The colors I see are orange, yellow, blue, and light green. What is "Bague"?

That depends on what it actually represents.

majority/plurality ethnic group of each district
most districts outside urban areas are pretty homogenous given the several wide scale deportations, forced relocations and the couple genocides

here are the Bantustans, the dark purple, palest green and light green are all temporary settlement areas
everywhere else is under direct control of the white population
the bantustans are officially autonomous provinces, generally allowed to run themselves with some oversight by Pretoria. no independence though.

 

[Sir Coloniser]

Well you've expanded some Bantustans and abolished others but it is as unrealistic and unsustainable as Verwoerds 🤷‍♂️

plus this isn't the Bantustans, this is the on the ground ethnic map, IE who actually lives in those areas

 

[Sir Coloniser]

for some context, this is what happened to the blacks of South Africa outside the cities in TTL
deported in their entirety

Swazi

Tsonga

Herro

Ovambo

San

Nama

partially deported and the remainder confined to border strip

Sotho, around 60% confined to a 30 mile strip along the Lesotho border with exceptions for white owned areas

Tswana, 50% confined to the areas roughly corresponding the Bechuanaland colony

Pedi, 40% confined to a strip along the Limpopo about 30 miles wide

Bantustan set up with all non-urban tribe members forced to move to said Bantustan

Zulu

Xhosa

Venda

Kavango

Lozi

Damara

Himba

Baster

 

[Sir Coloniser]

OTL's ethnic map, same key as the original
gun grey here is used to represent mixed, due to the ethnic homogeneity of South Africa in TTL, this colour represents Asians on the original map
just for context

 

[SpanishSpy]

It's frankly kind of horrifying.

It's multiple cultures annihilated for a 'gotcha!' on an American internet forum.

 

[Warthog]

for some context, this is what happened to the blacks of South Africa outside the cities in TTL
deported in their entirety

Swazi

Tsonga

Herro

Ovambo

San

Nama

partially deported and the remainder confined to border strip

Sotho, around 60% confined to a 30 mile strip along the Lesotho border with exceptions for white owned areas

Tswana, 50% confined to the areas roughly corresponding the Bechuanaland colony

Pedi, 40% confined to a strip along the Limpopo about 30 miles wide

Bantustan set up with all non-urban tribe members forced to move to said Bantustan

Zulu

Xhosa

Venda

Kavango

Lozi

Damara

Himba

Baster

So, genocide

 

[Sir Coloniser]

So, genocide

basically