As I said before and Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy agreed you have to find some way of changing Wilhelm's hatred of anything Saxe-Coberg-Gotha before any alliance between Germany and Britain can happen.
How do you stop WWI?
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As I said before and Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy agreed you have to find some way of changing Wilhelm's hatred of anything Saxe-Coberg-Gotha before any alliance between Germany and Britain can happen.
Post 1900 POD remember. Thats way too early
Thanks again for the R-J suggestion though
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Dang it, double posting again.
Ok Dean how about this
We could just have Edward VII die before his strenuous relationship with Wilhelm has had a chance to develop (contracton of syphilis perhaps?)
If we throw in another 15-20 years for Victoria (not much of a stretch is it?) things could go very smoothly between Germany and the UK. As far as I know, the Kaiser loved his grandmother dearly.
Dang it, double posting again.
Ok Dean how about this
We could just have Edward VII die before his strenuous relationship with Wilhelm has had a chance to develop (contracton of syphilis perhaps?)
If we throw in another 15-20 years for Victoria (not much of a stretch is it?) things could go very smoothly between Germany and the UK. As far as I know, the Kaiser loved his grandmother dearly.
The shame
Great, I have a go at Grey Wolf and now I'm using a POD Pre-1900
And OMG I'm Triple Posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will the embarassment never end!
Great, I have a go at Grey Wolf and now I'm using a POD Pre-1900
And OMG I'm Triple Posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will the embarassment never end!
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Or could have him crack up permanently - IIRC there was a period in c1909 when he went a bit fruitloops, so if this became a permanent state of things (shades of his great-uncle) then Wilhelm III gets the throne early after a Regency
Best Regards
Grey Wolf
That's a good one, I could see a time-line coming from that. An Anglo/German alliance would be able to stabilize Europe.
Wow
I like it! Put together with DuQuense's militant France, this might be just what I'm looking for.
Keep the ideas flowing though. You guys are suggesting things I never would have thought of.
Heres a couple of my personal ideas for you to have a look at:
Prevent Tsar Nicholas II supporting Serbia against A-H. What could have been the Great War remains solely in the Balkans and is resolved withina year or two.
Victoria living another 15 years. (I know I suggested this already but I'd like to know what people think)
I like it!
Put together with DuQuense's militant France, this might be just what I'm looking for.Keep the ideas flowing though. You guys are suggesting things I never would have thought of.
Heres a couple of my personal ideas for you to have a look at:
Prevent Tsar Nicholas II supporting Serbia against A-H. What could have been the Great War remains solely in the Balkans and is resolved withina year or two.
Victoria living another 15 years. (I know I suggested this already but I'd like to know what people think)
Living another 15 years seems unlikely as she was 81 - another 5 might be within the bounds of likelihood, but to live until her mid 90s as a reigning monarch would be...well, unusual
Best Regards
Grey Wolf
Ok, I suppose your right
What about my other idea?
And anymore suggestions?... Anybody?
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Boulanger coups the 3rd Republic in 1889 and starts an ill-conceived war against Germany in the mid-1890s. His 3rd empire falls and is replaced by a state of civil war and later the 4th republic (or another kingdom).
With French diplomacy out of the fold, a world war is likely out for the forseeable future.
With French diplomacy out of the fold, a world war is likely out for the forseeable future.
Forget European PODs; the real hinge point is the Republican convention at Chicago in 1912.
Convince Henry Cabot Lodge, Elihu Root, and a handful of other key movers and shakers that it would be in the party's best interests to ease Taft into retirement after one term (and put him on the express track to the Supreme Court) while nominating Theodore Roosevelt.
TR will roll over the less colorful, less well known Wilson in the 1912 election. Then, when the first spark is lit in Sarajevo in June 1914, TR offers to mediate the Austro-Serbian crisis. Backed by his brokering of peace in the Russo-Japanese war, his Nobel peace prize, and the enormous prestige he enjoyed in the chancelleries of Europe (particularly Germany), Roosevelt is able to bring both sides (and a host of interested onlookers) to the conference table. Meeting in the Congress Hotel at Cape May, NJ, Roosevelt is able to get the Habsburg Empire to soften a number of points in its ultimatum-which Serbia was inclined to accept with minor reservations anyhow.
July 1914 becomes August, and August becomes September: the nations are talking, not shooting. By the end of September 1914, the details have been worked out, and the crisis defused. In 1916, TR wins his second Nobel Peace Prize.
Convince Henry Cabot Lodge, Elihu Root, and a handful of other key movers and shakers that it would be in the party's best interests to ease Taft into retirement after one term (and put him on the express track to the Supreme Court) while nominating Theodore Roosevelt.
TR will roll over the less colorful, less well known Wilson in the 1912 election. Then, when the first spark is lit in Sarajevo in June 1914, TR offers to mediate the Austro-Serbian crisis. Backed by his brokering of peace in the Russo-Japanese war, his Nobel peace prize, and the enormous prestige he enjoyed in the chancelleries of Europe (particularly Germany), Roosevelt is able to bring both sides (and a host of interested onlookers) to the conference table. Meeting in the Congress Hotel at Cape May, NJ, Roosevelt is able to get the Habsburg Empire to soften a number of points in its ultimatum-which Serbia was inclined to accept with minor reservations anyhow.
July 1914 becomes August, and August becomes September: the nations are talking, not shooting. By the end of September 1914, the details have been worked out, and the crisis defused. In 1916, TR wins his second Nobel Peace Prize.
Very interesting. Somehow I always thought TR would incrase the chances of war starting but this idea could work
.I like this one too. The idea of an agressive France would seem to have a strange appeal to me
But I have to ask again. Why all the pre-1900 POD's? I clearly stated for it to be a POD after 1900 so why are so many of you ignoring it???
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy
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But I have to ask again. Why all the pre-1900 POD's? I clearly stated for it to be a POD after 1900 so why are so many of you ignoring it???
Trust me, you'll end up getting used to it.
Because I for one can't read.I like this one too. The idea of an agressive France would seem to have a strange appeal to me
But I have to ask again. Why all the pre-1900 POD's? I clearly stated for it to be a POD after 1900 so why are so many of you ignoring it???
I could easily see a three way allliance between Britain, Germany and Russia keeping the peace in Europe for a long time.
When a world war does come though, this alliance vs a France-USA-Ottoman Entente sounds far too good to be true
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I like this one too. The idea of an agressive France would seem to have a strange appeal to me
But I have to ask again. Why all the pre-1900 POD's? I clearly stated for it to be a POD after 1900 so why are so many of you ignoring it???
Probably because you've not given a concrete rationale as to why it absolutely HAS to be a POD after 1900 ?
It doesn't MATTER to me, but without the explanation my mind ranges both sides of 1900, since a date, even a centennial one, is after all an artificial construct
Best Regards
Grey Wolf