How did you live the war: Geo-Politics and Technology
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Again this will probably contradict what's gone before but again this isn't the final agreed versionof events.
What BlackMage has done is a good start but I think the timescale would need compressing. I can't see Canada and Britain wainting several years to bring Quebec to heel. Also this is a continent wide war so we don't have to fill in the entire eight years with constant action in just one area. The war in the North East could procede in fits and starts as crisises emerge in other parts of the FUSA.
1987: The President of the Rocky Mountain Confederation dies after being in power for 40 years. Given that the RMC's government is both massively corrupt and largely decentralised no clear successor emerges. Various politicians and military figures start jockeying for power.
1988: Pierre Breton leader of the Quebec Nationalist Party (PNQ) brokers a secret deal with the French Syndicalist Front (FSF) for covert funding.
1989: World oil prices crash and a worldwide recession begins.
1990: RMC: Public sector workers go on strike when the government defaults on paying them.
Republic of Texas: Hit by loss of oil revenue the Texan government revives an old border dispute with the Republic of Louisiana (RoL) in an effort to distract the Texan population form their domestic problems and possibly to gain a stranglehold on Mississippii river traffic.
1992: In responce to a request from the RoL government a battalion of French Foreign Legion paratroops is dispatched to New Orleans as part of "a joint defence exercise". An RN cruiser also pays a port call to the city. Texas backs off on it's demands. For the moment.
1993: The PNQ makes gains in local elections in Quebec. At the moment the PNQ presents itself as a party that will put Quebec's interests first rather a seperatist movement.
1995: The global recession begins to end but the RMC's economy, never strong, has crashed. Unemployment and hyperinflation are at unprecedented levels, the queues outside shops which rarely have enough food on the shelves anyway stretch for blocks, heating and lighting have become almost luxuries. When armed gangs looking for food and loot start crossing the Montana/British Columbia border first the RCMP and then the Canadian Army are sent to protect the local citizenry.
Pacifica, lacking a large heavily armed police force if forced to send units of the Pacifican Defence Force to the border. Co-operation between Canadian and Pacifican forces increase.
1996: Pierre Breton is elected Premier of Quebec. He has run on a platform of opposition to the increasing cost of operations in British Columbia and the position of some BC politicians that Canada should militarily intervene in the RMC to bring some order to the increasingly lawless nation. When an RCAF transport crashes on a Montreal suburb anti-military and anti-central government feeling peaks. The Canadian Security Service believes the plane crash was no accident but has only circumstancial evidence.
Meanwhile the situation in the RMC continues to worsen and the Canadian representative in the Commonwealth Assembly in London requests aid from the rest of the British Empire. In a show of strength troops from Britain, Ireland, New Foundland, Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia and Kenya start arriving before the end of the year.
1997: An explosion at a power station in Wyomming kills 62 people and cuts off power to millions. Power workers across the RMC go on strike. Underpayed, overworked and trying to keep increasingly obsolete equipment working on a shoestring budget they have had enough. The power workers strike soon becomes a general strike which in turn becomes a series of mass popular demonstrations.
In one such demonstration troops of the RMC Militia open fire on the crowd. As levels of gun ownership and anti government paranoia are both high in the RMC some in the crowd fire back.
Within 24 hours the RMC is in a state of civil war.
As refugees and armed bands who pey on them cross into Canada and Pacifica both nations declare a state of emergency and mobilise their armed forces.
Taking advantage of the chaos in British Columbia Breton declares first that Quebec is neutral in "this Anglo-Saxon misadventure" and when denounced by Ottawa that Quebec is now an independent nation.
New England and Quebec invade New York; New England after a border incident and because of historic rivalries, Quebec to stop New England from grabbing all of New York's territory before Quebec can.
At first the invasions are seperate but as New Yorker resistence hardens and as some suspiciously well armed "volunteers" start arriving from the Free Republic of Pennsylvania an alliance of convinience is formed.
1998
Vermont Revolt begins, with partisan fighting from the so-called VC, Vermont Comms, disrupting New England war efforts. Quebec and New England are still allied, but this is becoming increasingly fragile.
Quebec declares war on New England over division of New York's territory. VC rebels seize Montpelier and much of southern Vermont, and declare the Second Vermont Republic. Elections are held, with the Vermont Socialist Party (the political wing of the secessionists) beating the Liberals (former New England Whigs, who dominated New England politics; the Whig Party in Vermont split, with the main body boycotting the elections), against allegations of vote-rigging.
A Commonwealth Expeditionary Force enters Quebec to "remove the criminal government of the NPQ".
German troops start arriving in New England to aid against Quebec's forces. Officially the Germans are only to help protect New England's territory from outside agression but soon become involve in operations against the New Yorkers.
The last resistence to Commonwealth forces collapses in Quebec and a Commonwealth Expeditionary Force crosses into New York to finish off the PNQ militia and to aid Canada and Britain's long standing allies in New York and Pennsylvania.
What BlackMage has done is a good start but I think the timescale would need compressing. I can't see Canada and Britain wainting several years to bring Quebec to heel. Also this is a continent wide war so we don't have to fill in the entire eight years with constant action in just one area. The war in the North East could procede in fits and starts as crisises emerge in other parts of the FUSA.
1987: The President of the Rocky Mountain Confederation dies after being in power for 40 years. Given that the RMC's government is both massively corrupt and largely decentralised no clear successor emerges. Various politicians and military figures start jockeying for power.
1988: Pierre Breton leader of the Quebec Nationalist Party (PNQ) brokers a secret deal with the French Syndicalist Front (FSF) for covert funding.
1989: World oil prices crash and a worldwide recession begins.
1990: RMC: Public sector workers go on strike when the government defaults on paying them.
Republic of Texas: Hit by loss of oil revenue the Texan government revives an old border dispute with the Republic of Louisiana (RoL) in an effort to distract the Texan population form their domestic problems and possibly to gain a stranglehold on Mississippii river traffic.
1992: In responce to a request from the RoL government a battalion of French Foreign Legion paratroops is dispatched to New Orleans as part of "a joint defence exercise". An RN cruiser also pays a port call to the city. Texas backs off on it's demands. For the moment.
1993: The PNQ makes gains in local elections in Quebec. At the moment the PNQ presents itself as a party that will put Quebec's interests first rather a seperatist movement.
1995: The global recession begins to end but the RMC's economy, never strong, has crashed. Unemployment and hyperinflation are at unprecedented levels, the queues outside shops which rarely have enough food on the shelves anyway stretch for blocks, heating and lighting have become almost luxuries. When armed gangs looking for food and loot start crossing the Montana/British Columbia border first the RCMP and then the Canadian Army are sent to protect the local citizenry.
Pacifica, lacking a large heavily armed police force if forced to send units of the Pacifican Defence Force to the border. Co-operation between Canadian and Pacifican forces increase.
1996: Pierre Breton is elected Premier of Quebec. He has run on a platform of opposition to the increasing cost of operations in British Columbia and the position of some BC politicians that Canada should militarily intervene in the RMC to bring some order to the increasingly lawless nation. When an RCAF transport crashes on a Montreal suburb anti-military and anti-central government feeling peaks. The Canadian Security Service believes the plane crash was no accident but has only circumstancial evidence.
Meanwhile the situation in the RMC continues to worsen and the Canadian representative in the Commonwealth Assembly in London requests aid from the rest of the British Empire. In a show of strength troops from Britain, Ireland, New Foundland, Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia and Kenya start arriving before the end of the year.
1997: An explosion at a power station in Wyomming kills 62 people and cuts off power to millions. Power workers across the RMC go on strike. Underpayed, overworked and trying to keep increasingly obsolete equipment working on a shoestring budget they have had enough. The power workers strike soon becomes a general strike which in turn becomes a series of mass popular demonstrations.
In one such demonstration troops of the RMC Militia open fire on the crowd. As levels of gun ownership and anti government paranoia are both high in the RMC some in the crowd fire back.
Within 24 hours the RMC is in a state of civil war.
As refugees and armed bands who pey on them cross into Canada and Pacifica both nations declare a state of emergency and mobilise their armed forces.
Taking advantage of the chaos in British Columbia Breton declares first that Quebec is neutral in "this Anglo-Saxon misadventure" and when denounced by Ottawa that Quebec is now an independent nation.
New England and Quebec invade New York; New England after a border incident and because of historic rivalries, Quebec to stop New England from grabbing all of New York's territory before Quebec can.
At first the invasions are seperate but as New Yorker resistence hardens and as some suspiciously well armed "volunteers" start arriving from the Free Republic of Pennsylvania an alliance of convinience is formed.
1998
Vermont Revolt begins, with partisan fighting from the so-called VC, Vermont Comms, disrupting New England war efforts. Quebec and New England are still allied, but this is becoming increasingly fragile.
Quebec declares war on New England over division of New York's territory. VC rebels seize Montpelier and much of southern Vermont, and declare the Second Vermont Republic. Elections are held, with the Vermont Socialist Party (the political wing of the secessionists) beating the Liberals (former New England Whigs, who dominated New England politics; the Whig Party in Vermont split, with the main body boycotting the elections), against allegations of vote-rigging.
A Commonwealth Expeditionary Force enters Quebec to "remove the criminal government of the NPQ".
German troops start arriving in New England to aid against Quebec's forces. Officially the Germans are only to help protect New England's territory from outside agression but soon become involve in operations against the New Yorkers.
The last resistence to Commonwealth forces collapses in Quebec and a Commonwealth Expeditionary Force crosses into New York to finish off the PNQ militia and to aid Canada and Britain's long standing allies in New York and Pennsylvania.
Redem said:
But that would require us using logic, LOL. Just like many of the other very illogical things we have thrown in here, I would say let's leave the Neo-Klan (great name whoever came up with it) as a type of group that the name evokes. A bunch of violently racist bigots who don't want ANY liberalization or relaxing of controls on any of the minorities that the RL KKK is against.
JP_Morgan said:
I am not sure how that works out... we are supposed to have firebombed (!) Seattle and fought alongside the Mormons. Seems like it may be a 'limited response' scenario to take pressur off the Mormons, or some such. You know. Marines seize vulnerable cities, air force bomb others.
Looks good Landshark, while I am sure it will need editing, it is a good place to start and we need that.
Just to add something to this
Make it a natural gas explosion. Wyoming has a lot of natural gas wells, especially in Sweetwater County (which also has the highest per person rate of firearm ownership in the US, something like 4 per person last time I looked but don't hold me to it).
Just to add something to this
Make it a natural gas explosion. Wyoming has a lot of natural gas wells, especially in Sweetwater County (which also has the highest per person rate of firearm ownership in the US, something like 4 per person last time I looked but don't hold me to it).
On the South Eastern War:
Initially Texas vs Louisiana. Louisiana is supported by Britain, France and Florida together and by Germany seperately from the other three. ICMAG declares war against Carolina over a border dispute and later against Louisiana in return for Texan support (oil and weapons) against Carolina. In the fighting in Louisiana ICMAG forces come into conflict with British forces and ICMAG declares war against Florida as it's in a de facto state of war with Britain and it's allies anyway and ICMAG needs to cut off Britain's supply route through Florida and maybe grab some territory.
(ICMAG is in effect fighting a four front war. Carolina in the north, Britain, France, Germany, Louisiana in the west, Florida, Britain in the south and the navies of Britain, France, Germany, Carolina and Florida in the east.
And then the Neo Klan starts acting up)
Initially Texas vs Louisiana. Louisiana is supported by Britain, France and Florida together and by Germany seperately from the other three. ICMAG declares war against Carolina over a border dispute and later against Louisiana in return for Texan support (oil and weapons) against Carolina. In the fighting in Louisiana ICMAG forces come into conflict with British forces and ICMAG declares war against Florida as it's in a de facto state of war with Britain and it's allies anyway and ICMAG needs to cut off Britain's supply route through Florida and maybe grab some territory.
(ICMAG is in effect fighting a four front war. Carolina in the north, Britain, France, Germany, Louisiana in the west, Florida, Britain in the south and the navies of Britain, France, Germany, Carolina and Florida in the east.
And then the Neo Klan starts acting up)
SionEwig said:
No problem. It was one of the options I considered anyway. Natural resources in the RMC could be the reason it's neighbours get involved. If the country's collapsing then cutting off the flow of refugees and getting their hands on the RMC's family jewels would be attractive to the right minded people.
Andromedos
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The timeline for the Northeast looks good so far, landshark. But maybe some elements from Blackmage's longer war timeline can be build in. Britain is fighting on several fronts, and maybe has to keep up forces in Europe and the Commonwealth as well. If the french send foreign legion troops to Quebec, the war might take longer.
And could in the Northwestern war maybe the German expeditionary forces be mentioned later? My character said that he was a german alpine trooper fighting in Pacifica. I even think that both our characters were in the 2nd battle of the northern Cascades.
Britan and Germany seem to cooperate on several fronts. Maybe there is some kind of German/British vs. Russian/French balance in Europe?
And could in the Northwestern war maybe the German expeditionary forces be mentioned later? My character said that he was a german alpine trooper fighting in Pacifica. I even think that both our characters were in the 2nd battle of the northern Cascades.
Britan and Germany seem to cooperate on several fronts. Maybe there is some kind of German/British vs. Russian/French balance in Europe?
Well... we could change the Klan's name. Supremacy League? (Note: I made this up before we knew the PoD. I originally though the PoD was in the 1930s.)
Actually, what would be better is that a civil war is going on between the Klan??? and the Confederates.
Klan is allied with Texas
Confederates are allied with Germany and Louisiana.
Texas with Klan help invades Louisiana. Then Britain and France get involved. Klan declares war on Florida, and is slowly beaten as the Confederates get help from Germany and France. Uneasy alliance with Britain.
That would make the war a little more realistic, and less suicidal for the ICMAG.
The war could end with the Confederates (the more leftist group) in control, and the rightists defeated.
Actually, what would be better is that a civil war is going on between the Klan??? and the Confederates.
Klan is allied with Texas
Confederates are allied with Germany and Louisiana.
Texas with Klan help invades Louisiana. Then Britain and France get involved. Klan declares war on Florida, and is slowly beaten as the Confederates get help from Germany and France. Uneasy alliance with Britain.
That would make the war a little more realistic, and less suicidal for the ICMAG.
The war could end with the Confederates (the more leftist group) in control, and the rightists defeated.
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Andromedos said:
I don't think the French would send any sort of official military aid to Quebec. That level of blatant interference in the internal affairs of a Commonwealth country really would set off a general war between European powers. The idea of Britain and the other European powers keeping forces in readiness makes sense. If any of the European powers could bring their full might to bear in America the Americans would be toast.
Correct. I think the 2nd Cascades would occur in the second phase of the war around 2001-2003. I would think that the North West fighting would be between Pacifica, Britain and Germany on one side and RMC factions and Russia on the other.
I don't think so, a lot of the various alliances on the North American continent seem to be alliances of convenience. Britain is fighting Germany in the north east but is allied to them (and France) in the south east and north west.
Anyway got to go. Doctor Who's on.
Landshark said:
I will agree with it being nothing "Official," perhaps more like all of the foreign volunteer units during the Spanish Civil War of OTL, with like the Condor Legion from the Nazis, the Lincoln Brigade from the US, and the various Soviet groups.
Don't forget to add in Deseret against the Pacificians.
From post #99
Andromedos said:
Britian seems to be against Germany in Texas, at least for a while, and then definately fighting them in Mississippi and Louisiana, but that may come about later in the Wars.
Must be nice, don't get it here
Well apperently the German army and mercenaries were oppose to each other for some reason.
but here how I see this
Britain&Germany vs France&Russia
and the war politic would be something more like if many regional conflict all erupted at the same time and of course the alliance system forced even harder warfare making at the end no clear victor.
but here how I see this
Britain&Germany vs France&Russia
and the war politic would be something more like if many regional conflict all erupted at the same time and of course the alliance system forced even harder warfare making at the end no clear victor.
Redem said:
Don't remember seeing a France & Russia alliance but could be wrong. Of course given how many different areas of fighting on the North American continent, it is no big shock that the 4 foreign powers listed above would be sometimes supporting the same side and sometimes supporting opposing sides. And mercs would be a completely different ball of wax.