How could some of Napoleon's major puppets survive?

How could the Confederation of the Rhine and Kingdom of Naples break free from France and complete German (no Austria) and Italian Unification Without being crushed by the great powers
 
The Allies were willing to let Ney keep on in Etruria and might have been willing to let Murat stay on in Naples if they hadn't joined Napoleon during the 100 Days. If Murat had sided with the Sixth Coalition earlier, and remained with the Allies against Napoleon when he returned (possibly fighting against Ney, which in itself would have knock-on effects on the Waterloo campaign), he might be able to remain as ruler of Naples. It worked for Bernadotte in Sweden, after all. Going from there to unifying Italy would be more difficult, as he would run into some of the same issues that the Two Sicilies had OTL, and would have the problem of possibly being seen as a "foreigner," which might make it difficult to harness some of the same nationalistic forces.

The Confederation of the Rhine, on the other hand, was probably doomed; the various German states were too politically and militarily powerful for the Allies to erase them, and a unified Germany was in no one's interest.
 
I think that the Confederation of the Rhine was always going to dissolve. Unless they turned on Napoleon before he lost. I think Prussia and Austria wouldn't want a separate German state they have no control over. I think Prussia would be willing to work within the Confederation if they could be awarded a few territories within. I could see Prussia using the Confederation to try and bait Austria into a war.
The kingdom of Naples actually was supposed to survive under it's Napoleonic ruler but backed Napoleon after he came back in the 100 days.
 
Never regret a moment where I get to mention A Dead Skunk TL.

A personal favorite of mine and has the Kingdom of Italy/Naples surviving as a post-Napoleonic state along with a non-Bourbon France. The POD is a very different Battle of New Orleans that eventually gets Wellington to the USA so yeah it's a very high butterfly scenario but worth the read.
 
Naples surviving under Murat is viable... as it was a functional nation in its own right. But the CotR was exactly that; a Confederation that co-ordinated for military purposes as essentially a series of independently-functioning clients to France. Without the glue that was Nappy's unified military alliance holding them together the Confederation was no more a country than the Holy Roman Empire before it and the German Confederation after.
 
Could the Confederation survive with Prussia taking over France's old position (at least at first) if Austria was in a bad position to make demands at the end of the war?
 
Could the Confederation survive with Prussia taking over France's old position (at least at first) if Austria was in a bad position to make demands at the end of the war?

... No. Austria was the main provider of bodies and guns to the Coalition cause throughout the war, so a scenario in which they're in that poor shape while simultaneously having not earned their pound of flesh is not likely a scenario in which Napoleon was defeated. Especially if they're in worse straits then "Prostrate Prussia", who was really only compensated as much as she was out of the interests of the other powers in preventing an Austrian hegemony over the Germanies while simultaneously creating a check against renewed French expansionism. Furthermore, I doubt the other German states would be particularly keen to listen to Prussian authority, given that the relative balance of power would be so much more in their favor compared to their position next to Napoleon at his height.
 
Never regret a moment where I get to mention A Dead Skunk TL.

A personal favorite of mine and has the Kingdom of Italy/Naples surviving as a post-Napoleonic state along with a non-Bourbon France. The POD is a very different Battle of New Orleans that eventually gets Wellington to the USA so yeah it's a very high butterfly scenario but worth the read.
Link please?

Also, given that I was recently told about Napoleon's puppet-king in the Netherlands who struggled with trying to rule independently from Napoleon, it'd be interesting to see if there could be a plausible timeline for Louis to stay as King of Holland.
 
Naples surviving under Murat is viable... as it was a functional nation in its own right. But the CotR was exactly that; a Confederation that co-ordinated for military purposes as essentially a series of independently-functioning clients to France. Without the glue that was Nappy's unified military alliance holding them together the Confederation was no more a country than the Holy Roman Empire before it and the German Confederation after.
Naples as Independent kingdom under Murat's dynasty could be interesting in the leading up 19th Century. Who knows what a player it becomes if there are still unitication tendencies leading up to an unified Italy.
 
Link please?

Also, given that I was recently told about Napoleon's puppet-king in the Netherlands who struggled with trying to rule independently from Napoleon, it'd be interesting to see if there could be a plausible timeline for Louis to stay as King of Holland.

Here's another site's TL with a surviving Bonapartist Low Countries
 
Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden and others survived and kept their territory and titles they got under Napoleon. Bavaria even gained Würzburg and the Rhine Palatinate.
 
I'd like to see Eugene de Beauharnais get a state to rule. He was one of the more competent of Nap's relatives
I don't disagree, but he did not have a serious backer among the powers nor the advantage of ruling a peripheral area. Additionally - as in the case of Murat - there was the difficulty of convincing him to betray Napoleon early enough to do him any good.
 
I don't disagree, but he did not have a serious backer among the powers nor the advantage of ruling a peripheral area. Additionally - as in the case of Murat - there was the difficulty of convincing him to betray Napoleon early enough to do him any good.

Wasn't Alexander I in favour of Eugene or the de Beaharnaises getting something otu of it? I seem to recall Metternich also offered him something if he'd drop Napoléon (through his father-in-law). But then again, I'd count my fingers after shaking hands with either. How serious both were (Alexander was for Louis Philippe or Bernadotte becoming ruler of France, and Metternich was in favour of the king of Rome) is obviously relative, though
 
Note that Murat remaining in Naples means that the King of the Two Sicilies now only has one Sicily, but is still going to be there

Instead of the Confederation of the Rhine, we should be looking to have the Kingdom of Westphalia survive.
 
Instead of the Confederation of the Rhine, we should be looking to have the Kingdom of Westphalia survive.

Hanover and Brunswick are going to become independent in the peace deal, here, though. The best you'd have is a shrunken Westphalia. Maybe it goes to the Elector of Hesse-Kassel, or Hesse-Kassel becomes independent (with a bit more land), with the rest going to the king of Saxony, in exchange for Saxony being annexed to Prussia.

What about Berg and Frankfurt?
 
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