How could Peru remain Spanish?

The victory from the Libertadores in Perú was really out of luck, given the many things that happened during the Peruvian campaign, including attrition, the war's unpopularity in Colombia, the Peruvian high and middle classes opposing to independence due to ideological differences with the Libertadores, the Argentines in San Martín's army rioting, casualties during the Crossing of the Andes, and many other details that should really have made this campaign the catastrophic failure that it could (or... should) have been.

Any one of those details going the other way would have rendered the campaign a complete failure. However, it will still be hard for Spain to keep Perú, especially with three hostile powers that could crush them whenever they wanted.
 

Red Horse

Any one of those details going the other way would have rendered the campaign a complete failure. However, it will still be hard for Spain to keep Perú, especially with three hostile powers that could crush them whenever they wanted.

What particular events, exactly?
 
The victory from the Libertadores in Perú was really out of luck, given the many things that happened during the Peruvian campaign, including attrition, the war's unpopularity in Colombia, the Peruvian high and middle classes opposing to independence due to ideological differences with the Libertadores, the Argentines in San Martín's army rioting, casualties during the Crossing of the Andes, and many other details that should really have made this campaign the catastrophic failure that it could (or... should) have been.

Any one of those details going the other way would have rendered the campaign a complete failure. However, it will still be hard for Spain to keep Perú, especially with three hostile powers that could crush them whenever they wanted.

Most of the revolutions were like that.

For godsake Mexico was almost pacified then the Liberals took over Spain so the conservative colonel, Iturbide, mutinied and joined the rebels.

And the Argentine one involved several failed attempts to conquer Upper Peru.

But yes Spain could easily have held on to Peru. Which would lead to interesting South America.
 

Red Horse

Would Royalist Peru actually attempt to retake La Plata and New Granada? And what were the chances of them succeeding?
 
I do not know for sure if it would be possible for them to do so. I think that Spanish Peru would be more focused on defending what they have left rather than attempt any sort of Latin American "Reconquista."
 
I do not know for sure if it would be possible for them to do so. I think that Spanish Peru would be more focused on defending what they have left rather than attempt any sort of Latin American "Reconquista."
anyway that would be ineteresting, seeing Viceroyalty of Perù host the largest mines of gold, and silver
 

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I do not know for sure if it would be possible for them to do so. I think that Spanish Peru would be more focused on defending what they have left rather than attempt any sort of Latin American "Reconquista."
As the Federalist and Provisionalists tear each other apart, it might be possible for Spain to take back a few pieces, especially if the provisionals invite back Spain for defense. Take the Dominican Republic, Spain actually was invited back to rule the island after an invasion by the Haitians.
 
As the Federalist and Provisionalists tear each other apart, it might be possible for Spain to take back a few pieces, especially if the provisionals invite back Spain for defense. Take the Dominican Republic, Spain actually was invited back to rule the island after an invasion by the Haitians.

Theoretically it is possible they could restore the Viceroyalty of Peru to it's 1718 territories minus Chile (Essentially Peru & Bolivia). But I highly doubt they can actually take up La Plata or New Granada, in any form. Chile, for all it's problems was surprisingly quite stable for its time, and Argentina is protected by the fact there is a huge mountain chain separating the countries. I cannot vouch for the others as I'm not familiar with those.
 
At least, not while they are still La Planta and New Granada.

Yeah in La Plata's chaos they can't anything, so basically if New Granada explodes while La Plata is still in the mist of a civil war, then Peru can seize Bolivia without interference
 
Yeah in La Plata's chaos they can't anything, so basically if New Granada explodes while La Plata is still in the mist of a civil war, then Peru can seize Bolivia without interference

I think it seems simple enough to do, but it depends on if Spanish Peru affects the political development of Gran Colombia. Now it is possible that if there is any likeliness of separatism, it would be Venezuela, and if Venezuela secedes, it might be a messy affair.
 
I think it seems simple enough to do, but it depends on if Spanish Peru affects the political development of Gran Colombia. Now it is possible that if there is any likeliness of separatism, it would be Venezuela, and if Venezuela secedes, it might be a messy affair.

You're right on Gran Colombia the PODs could keep it strong, but if it fails then we will see a Greater Peru

Maybe we could see the Spanish assassinate important Gran Colombian figures and make it look like a different politcal faction with in Gran Colombia?
 
It seems that some are forgetting; Spanish Peru did reconquer what is today Bolivia, Chile, and Ecuador between 1809-12 with troops coming almost entirely from Peru. Imagine what might come down if the Spaniards are given a respite and are actually able to ship their armies to the New World...
 
It seems that some are forgetting; Spanish Peru did reconquer what is today Bolivia, Chile, and Ecuador between 1809-12 with troops coming almost entirely from Peru. Imagine what might come down if the Spaniards are given a respite and are actually able to ship their armies to the New World...

Actually it didn't reconquer Bolivia that was straight up conquest
 
...how so?

The Peruvian Viceroy launched an invasion for the purpose of conquering Upper Peru. At that point in time Rio Plata was still loyal to the King. It was Peru who struck first and seeing as the Rio Platans didn't take Upper Peru from Peru, but instead the Spanish government it is technically a conquest or at least initially.
 
The Peruvian Viceroy launched an invasion for the purpose of conquering Upper Peru. At that point in time Rio Plata was still loyal to the King. It was Peru who struck first and seeing as the Rio Platans didn't take Upper Peru from Peru, but instead the Spanish government it is technically a conquest or at least initially.

The reforms of the Bourbons, when implemented in the second half of the 18th century, unleashed a wave of unrest throughout the Andean world. One of those reasons, was the severing of the Audiencia de Charcas (Bolivia) from the Viceroyalty of Peru, which disrupted economic links and trade routes that predated the Spaniards themselves.

It’s little wonder that authority was able to be reasserted from Peru much easier than from distant Buenos Aires. The revolt in La Paz in 1809, was that, just a revolt in that city. The whole Audiencia did not rise up in arms. And by the time the revolt was put down and order was reestablished, Buenos Aires itself had formed a Junta in support of the liberal Constitution of Cadiz. The Viceroy of Peru, Jose de Abascal, a staunch conservative, took it upon himself to reannex the Audiencia in his control to Peru, to prevent it from falling on the hands of the liberals, and much to the delight of large sectors of “Bolivian” society.

Hardly a conquest, when you look closely.
 
The reforms of the Bourbons, when implemented in the second half of the 18th century, unleashed a wave of unrest throughout the Andean world. One of those reasons, was the severing of the Audiencia de Charcas (Bolivia) from the Viceroyalty of Peru, which disrupted economic links and trade routes that predated the Spaniards themselves.

It’s little wonder that authority was able to be reasserted from Peru much easier than from distant Buenos Aires. The revolt in La Paz in 1809, was that, just a revolt in that city. The whole Audiencia did not rise up in arms. And by the time the revolt was put down and order was reestablished, Buenos Aires itself had formed a Junta in support of the liberal Constitution of Cadiz. The Viceroy of Peru, Jose de Abascal, a staunch conservative, took it upon himself to reannex the Audiencia in his control to Peru, to prevent it from falling on the hands of the liberals, and much to the delight of large sectors of “Bolivian” society.

Hardly a conquest, when you look closely.

If it's barely a conquest then it can't be a reconquest:p
 
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