How can you get this map in Europe be real?

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Hmm... a Venice with (I assume) much of the Balkans, disunited Leon and Castille, Papal States with Tunisia and northern Algeria, no Switzerland, independent Savoy, Aragon, Genoa, and Milan, and 'Caliphate'. Wait, before I say anything more, what year is the map based on?
 
Hmm... a Venice with (I assume) much of the Balkans, disunited Leon and Castille, Papal States with Tunisia and northern Algeria, no Switzerland, independent Savoy, Aragon, Genoa, and Milan, and 'Caliphate'. Wait, before I say anything more, what year is the map based on?

10th century.
 
The Christendom powers decided to run the crusades centuries earlier and attacked Islamic Balkans and North Africa. Papal Carthage, I like the sound of that. :)
 
England does better in 100 years war.
France never gets it's act together, so Savoy, Genoa, etc, stay independent.
HRE and Normans do worse in Italy. so Pope takes all south Italy/Tunisia.
Hungary [lite brown] remains Austria [Austria migrated westward during early 2nd Millennium]
Byzantines [lite blue] hold Balkans.
No Austria so Vienna [darker blue] remains independent.
HRE [dark brown] never really unites, so Russia gets all of Poland, Denmark [Kalmar] keeps SH.
With no united France, Iberia splits different, when the Muslims never take Spain.
 
England does better in 100 years war.
France never gets it's act together, so Savoy, Genoa, etc, stay independent.
HRE and Normans do worse in Italy. so Pope takes all south Italy/Tunisia.
Hungary [lite brown] remains Austria [Austria migrated westward during early 2nd Millennium]
Byzantines [lite blue] hold Balkans.
No Austria so Vienna [darker blue] remains independent.
HRE [dark brown] never really unites, so Russia gets all of Poland, Denmark [Kalmar] keeps SH.
With no united France, Iberia splits different, when the Muslims never take Spain.

actually the castillian valencia in this map is a result of a successful ElCid.
 
10th century.

It's not out of the question, this map, but...10th century? That is, unfortunately. Simply, there's no real ability to give England ("the UK") control of the northern coast of France/Netherlands before 1066, when England became continentally active in a military sense. Conquering Ireland, Scotland and Wales is also on the verge of impossible by this point without a kind of divine providence inspiring the Anglo-Saxons to put aside their fights to first conquer the rest of the British Isles. In fact, now I think of it, most of these states don't exist in the 10th century. However, if we're looking at late Medieval, it's much more possible.

By the way, is that Prussian Grey blob east of Germany all Russia? That would cause problems for making this map feasible too, unless it's supposed to be out of bounds for this WI...
 
Ermm...yeah. That was...not clever of me. I'm going to put the blame upon it being gone 3am and I'm tired :\

Uhh. Yeah. Permission granted to largely ignore everything in my previous comment...
 
Several of the borders look awfully wrong, specially in Iberia, but The French-UK border does not look so fine either.

And it seems than Aragon has lost, well, Aragon, to Castille...
 
Several of the borders look awfully wrong, specially in Iberia, but The French-UK border does not look so fine either.

And it seems than Aragon has lost, well, Aragon, to Castille...

aragon lost because elcid, a castillian got valencia instead of jacme.
 
aragon lost because el cid, a castillian got valencia instead of jacme.

No. I meant the Kingdon (not Crown) of Aragon itself, not the kingdom of Valencia. It should be around the area between the point where the three borders meet and the "E" of Castille. They kept a small part of northern Aragon, true, but the core of the kingom -including Saragossa, the capital- is on Castille.

And Don Rodrigo lived from 1043-1099, and DID get Valencia, in 1093. After his death his wife Doña Jimena kept the city three years, until 1102. Don Jaime of Aragón wuld not conquer the city until 1238. Both conquests, anyway, are past your tenth century date.
 
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