The Germans wanted to buy the Philippines and AIUI the Spanish Government was willing to sell but the Spanish-American War meant that all they bought were the Spanish Pacific islands less Guam. Japan occupied them in World War One and they became a Japanese League of Nations mandated territory after the war.Japan moves in sooner.
The Americans wanted a waystation to China, at least the imperialist faction did.Can't see Japan occupying it. I can see them getting very interested. You don't have to invade to dominate a place/ Who has the resources and the interest to compete with the Japanese? Would the Americans prefer to focus on mainland China?
USS Maine blew up and Butcher Weyler screwed up.The Germans wanted to buy the Philippines and AIUI the Spanish Government was willing to sell but the Spanish-American War meant that all they bought were the Spanish Pacific islands less Guam. Japan occupied them in World War One and they became a Japanese League of Nations mandated territory after the war.
The Americans were bidding, too. The Spanish should have taken the offer. More money and "less" European problems and one less enemy to torque off. (France).Perhaps the Spanish can accept the German offer before the Spanish-American war happens. Then the Japanese occupy the Philippines (and Guam) in World War One and they become Japanese League of Nations mandated territories after the war.
do you think the germans would accept the offer even though there is a revolution going on and France and Britain would allow that aggressive move?The Germans wanted to buy the Philippines and AIUI the Spanish Government was willing to sell but the Spanish-American War meant that all they bought were the Spanish Pacific islands less Guam. Japan occupied them in World War One and they became a Japanese League of Nations mandated territory after the war.
Perhaps the Spanish can accept the German offer before the Spanish-American war happens. Then the Japanese occupy the Philippines (and Guam) in World War One and they become Japanese League of Nations mandated territories after the war.
The USS Maine does not self immolate in Havana - as I understand it the most obvious cause of her destruction was a coal bunker fire setting off the 6" ammo in an adjacent magazine and almost certainly not the actions of the Spanish detonating a mine etchere is my thoughts on what could set this up:
Perhaps no annexation of Hawaii would set a precedent?
- No Spanish-American War.
Perhaps a different President could ensure this? In this case Cuba would successfully declare independence on its own a bit later as Spain still had turmoil in the early 20th century, not sure about Puerto Rico
- Spanish-American War still happens, but focus is on the Caribbean and not on the Pacific
- Spanish-American War happens, but America sets up a puppet state in the Philippines like it did in Cuba instead of colonizing
- American defeat in Filipino-American War
IMO the least likely outcome of these.
Outcomes:
- America isoaltes, focuses on domestic policies.
- American military remains smaller
I dont think the Germans would get them as Spain would be pressured by France Britain and Russia not to do it, they are gonna try to persuade to instead sell to them. That will likely result at a crisis on who really gets the Philippines, which in the end they will probably decide to recognize it and try to use dollar diplomacy to get the Philippines at their side. Which will result to the Philippines playing both sides to their advantage, to secure independence and develop and industrialize the country.sell the Islands to Germany. Ether way the Germans are going to invade the Islands, and crush them.
Do you think the Germans would accept the offer even though there is a revolution going on and France and Britain would allow that aggressive move?
Firstly, my understanding is that it was the Germans who were offering to buy rather than the Spanish were offering to sell.I dont think the Germans would get them as Spain would be pressured by France Britain and Russia not to do it, they are gonna try to persuade to instead sell to them. That will likely result at a crisis on who really gets the Philippines, which in the end they will probably decide to recognize it and try to use dollar diplomacy to get the Philippines at their side. Which will result to the Philippines playing both sides to their advantage, to secure independence and develop and industrialize the country.
And is Germany willing to spend 300M dollars to get the Philippines as resistance is very stiff when the Americans went in there? The 300m is the estimated value at that time on how the war cost when the USA invaded the islands? Remember there is a revolution going on
I dont believe they would do that because the one who controls the Philippines controls the gateway to SEA through pacific vice versa. And once the news of this planned purchase reached france and UK, well theyre gonna join too to prevent germany from doing thatI'm not sure that the British and French Governments would do anything. The Fashoda Incident was happening at about the same time and I think that both powers would be preoccupied by that. If anything they'd be offering the Germans a free hand over the Philippines as part of their offers to keep Germany neutral or become an ally should the incident precipitate a war between Great Britain and France.
I don't really think that would happen. France, and Britain had no interest in taking the Philippines. Britain had passed on it several time before, they were more interested in advancing their interests in South China. The French had their hands full in Indochina, and France had no influence over Germany. The Russians were busy moving into Northern China, and had their eyes on Korea. The Germans, and Americans were the only ones looking to pick something up. Yes the Germans would've been happy to pay $300 Million in a brutal colonial war. It was a different mind set before WWI.I dont think the Germans would get them as Spain would be pressured by France Britain and Russia not to do it, they are gonna try to persuade to instead sell to them. That will likely result at a crisis on who really gets the Philippines, which in the end they will probably decide to recognize it and try to use dollar diplomacy to get the Philippines at their side. Which will result to the Philippines playing both sides to their advantage, to secure independence and develop and industrialize the country.
And is germany willing to spend 300M dollars to get the Philippines as resistance is very stiff when the Americans went in there? The 300m is the estimated value at that time on how the war cost when the USA invaded the islands? Remember there is a revolution going on
What he wrote was...I am pretty sure that the Filipinos will object to the idea of American occupation being the best idea when around ~1 million Filipinos died as a result........
The distinction between the best idea around and the best of very bad options is crucial to what @Belisarius II was writing. However, if I was Filipino I wouldn't interpret it that way either.Things would be looking very ugly for the Filipino's, being occupied by the United States was the best of some very bad options.
I do because of the reasons I have already given and because of what @Belisarius II wrote in Post 33.I don't believe they would do that because the one who controls the Philippines controls the gateway to SEA through pacific vice versa. And once the news of this planned purchase reached france and UK, well they're gonna join too to prevent Germany from doing that
Britain is actually conserned about what if germany gets the PHilippines or any other nation except them gets the PHilippines. I doubt that would happen, and if They cant get the Philippines and everyone wants them well theyre just gonna leave them alone and just use dollar diplomacy to try get them on their sideI don't really think that would happen. France, and Britain had no interest in taking the Philippines. Britain had passed on it several time before, they were more interested in advancing their interests in South China. The French had their hands full in Indochina, and France had no influence over Germany. The Russians were busy moving into Northern China, and had their eyes on Korea. The Germans, and Americans were the only ones looking to pick something up. Yes the Germans would've been happy to pay $300 Million in a brutal colonial war. It was a different mind set before WWI.
No major power would consider the Filipinos as anything more then a backward people to be dominated by White Men. This was the age of the White Mans Burden, again it's a different mind set, no one was going to industrialize the Philippines. Japan was the only power to pull that off, and that was because they started earlier, and were already an established nation, under central control. Japan was also more isolated geographically, then the Philippines.
That is the basic point.I was Filipino I wouldn't interpret it that way either.
The Philippines is only the gateway to SEA if your coming from the East. That means it's most useful to the Americans. Britain never considered the Spanish to be a threat from the Philippines. Later, after the start of the Naval Arms Race Britain armed Japan to take care of Germany's Asiatic Fleet, which they did very effectively in 1914.I dont believe they would do that because the one who controls the Philippines controls the gateway to SEA through pacific vice versa. And once the news of this planned purchase reached france and UK, well theyre gonna join too to prevent germany from doing that
No it isn't because there is a lot of difference in meaning between the best of some very bad options that he wrote and the best option that you wrote. English can be a subtle language.That is the basic point.