How can we get a United Southern Cone Super Power?

Hand waven in that Spain gets far more Spanish settlers early on with some Germans and Italians to further supplement the colonies, and that America somehow isn't butterflied away, how does everyone here vision the US in the 20th century (with the World Wars and Cold War absurdly hand waved in, dealing with an equal in its own hemisphere?
It´s asb to not have butterflies with such changes.
 
Hand waven in that Spain gets far more Spanish settlers early on with some Germans and Italians to further supplement the colonies, and that America somehow isn't butterflied away, how does everyone here vision the US in the 20th century (with the World Wars and Cold War absurdly hand waved in, dealing with an equal in its own hemisphere?

I presume that butterflies are extinct in this world?
 

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Hand waven in that Spain gets far more Spanish settlers early on with some Germans and Italians to further supplement the colonies, and that America somehow isn't butterflied away, how does everyone here vision the US in the 20th century (with the World Wars and Cold War absurdly hand waved in, dealing with an equal in its own hemisphere?
The USA and super-Argentina are distant enough from each other that I think they could be semi-aligned, if not allied, and agree on split spheres of influence over the American continent. Especially with Peru and Mexico being empires. However, once Britain and France fall behind the US and Argentina, then hostilities and a pan-American cold war might begin.
 
Wait, why would 16th century Spain want to colonize modern Argentina in large numbers? There was literally nothing here but grass
 

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For what? This is the 16th century we're talking about. The only thing you could do with that back then was subsistence agriculture. How does that compare with mineral wealth by exploiting slaves?
Not the 16th century, the 17th century. I'm running on the assumption that Spain adopts Bartolomé de las Casas' plan for peasant colonization in the 1510s/1520s, which could fill up Mexico, Colombia, and Peru pretty quickly through the 16th century. By the 1600s, Argentina could be colonized at the same rate as the East Coast of North America. Ultimately, the intent would be to create a strong imperial province to prevent other European powers from extending their influence into the Spanish New World or into the Pacific trade.

Intensive settlement doesn't prevent the silver mines from still being exploited--there were plenty of mines in Europe that created empires and economies.
 
Not the 16th century, the 17th century. I'm running on the assumption that Spain adopts Bartolomé de las Casas' plan for peasant colonization, which could fill up Mexico, Colombia, and Peru pretty quickly through the 1500s. By the 1600s, Argentina could be colonized at the same rate as the East Coast of North America. Ultimately, the intent would be to create a strong imperial province to prevent other European powers from extending their influence into the Spanish New World or into the Pacific trade.
Did they have enough people to do that?

And as for the 17th century, did anything significant change as far as food production is concerned? The only significant economic activity beyond subsistence farming before the advent of railroads and refrigerators was wool production, and that still requires the first industrial revolution to create demand
 

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Did they have enough people to do that?

And as for the 17th century, did anything significant change as far as food production is concerned? The only significant economic activity beyond subsistence farming before the advent of railroads and refrigerators was wool production, and that still requires the first industrial revolution to create demand
Spain definitely had enough people. Portugal was the most prolific colonial power in terms of sending actual colonists until the 1700s, and they only had a population of 1 million compared to Spain's 9 million.

In pre-industrial times, the lower the population density was (in a region fertile enough to support high population density), the higher the standard of living was--so places like England and the Thirteen Colonies had relatively high standards of living, due to rural land providing a surplus of food. This also increased population growth.

In the 17th century food production did evolve somewhat, but it is correct to say that subsistence farming was the main industry even then. However, some areas did produce a grain surplus or wine surplus that was exported to other regions. I believe the Low Countries depended on imported grain.

Argentina could perhaps specialize in naval production, become a recruiting ground for colonial soldiers across the empire, a pastureland to rear horses and trade them across the empire, specialize in the cash crops cotton and rice, or become the main wine production region in the Americas.
 
You need a 16th century PoD for Spain to get the Brazilian southeast.

EDIT: Actually, you would need a PoD in Tordesilhas, so a 15th century one.

No you wouldn't, since the Tordesilhas meridian includes only about half of modern Brazil and none of the south. Possibly as late as the mid-17th century you could have the Spanish established in the Brazilian south.

You mean per capita or altogether? I don´t see the southern Cone having 300 million people.

Why not? All you need to do is lure people there. Both Argentina and Uruguay have less than half the population density of the US. Though I will admit that though it's feasible, it's highly improbable, but half that, 150 million, is certainly possible.
 
No you wouldn't, since the Tordesilhas meridian includes only about half of modern Brazil and none of the south. Possibly as late as the mid-17th century you could have the Spanish established in the Brazilian south.



Why not? All you need to do is lure people there. Both Argentina and Uruguay have less than half the population density of the US. Though I will admit that though it's feasible, it's highly improbable, but half that, 150 million, is certainly possible.
I said SOUTHEAST
 
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